The nature of shadow fighters/fleet carrier for shadow ships

[Banichi]

Does anyone know the fluff behind shadow fighters? What I mean is are they like the bigger shadow ships, and have a living creature strapped inside? Or are they purely remote controled? I know all shadow ships could be said to be remote controled, via the being strapped into the central processer, what I mean is, are they sort of one step further, like model plane.

Also does a shadow ship load up on fighters at home, before it goes out to fight? Or do they kind of grow the fighters inside the ships themselves, to be launched when ready.

The reason I'm wondering is that I am thinking of trying a house rule to try and improve the performance of shadow fighters. That is give the young and ancient shadow ships the fleet carrier trait. It would be a bit like the shadows use of the shield trait not really being shields, but their innate ability to absorb some damage.

In this case the fleet carrier trait wouldn't make the ships carriers. True, the dogfight bonus would help the fighters, but they would only get it if there was a shadow ship present. Hence my question on how the fighters are controled. If they are remotes then perhaps having one of the larger ships on the table would increase the amount of control the shadows have over them, and better there performance. Sort of like a nid synaps creature allowing for better control of the little ones.

As for the ability of fleet carriers to regenerate fighters bringing the shadow fighters back to life, you could look at it a couple of ways. The presents of the big ship might help the shadows controling the fleet regroup the defeated flight. (as explained in the fleet carrier rules). Where as shadow fighters operating away from a ship can't be controled as well. Or the fighters that make the fleet carrier save represent the shadow ship spitting out a few more fighters mid fight.

This is why I'm interested in the fluff. To see if this idea gels with what is written about shadows, and their ships. I think this idea lets shadow fighter's performance be improved, without improving, or changing the fighters themselves.

What do you guys (and girl) think.

 

[talonspiritcat]

The fluff from AOG was that the fighters are spawned from the structure of the carrier itself and were remotely controlled by the CPU/Pilot of the carrier. Hence, there are few large carriers as they are few pilots capable of dividing their attention between large numbers of ships.


A fighter could survive for several days without a carrier before withering up. A carrier regrows the lost mass of the fighter in a few days--carriers could only "rip away" so much of their own mass for fighters hence the limited number of squadrons carried.

 

[skavendan]

Interesting yet it doesn't reflect in the game you would think they have carrier trait at least.

 

[Shadow Queen]

Id say each Shadow ship / fighter has a living cpu. Id hate to have a male cpu as most cant multi task.

 

[l33tpenguin]

Id say each Shadow ship / fighter has a living cpu. Id hate to have a male cpu as most cant multi task.

I don't think there are any male cpus in shadow vessels. They are all female... with PMS. Which is why when you piss them off they will hunt you down, unrelentingly, until they have destroyed you

 

[Banichi]

The fluff from AOG was that the fighters are spawned from the structure of the carrier itself and were remotely controlled by the CPU/Pilot of the carrier. Hence, there are few large carriers as they are few pilots capable of dividing their attention between large numbers of ships.


A fighter could survive for several days without a carrier before withering up. A carrier regrows the lost mass of the fighter in a few days--carriers could only "rip away" so much of their own mass for fighters hence the limited number of squadrons carried.

Cool, that kind of gels in with the fleet carrier idea nicely.

Also, you could argue that the shadows should have the same ability to replace fighters in a campaign as the gaim.

 

[lastbesthope]

Does anyone know the fluff behind shadow fighters? What I mean is are they like the bigger shadow ships, and have a living creature strapped inside? Or are they purely remote controled? I know all shadow ships could be said to be remote controled, via the being strapped into the central processer, what I mean is, are they sort of one step further, like model plane.

It's not really remote control if the controlling being is inside the ship. I mean, you're not remote controlling a car while you're driving it sitting in the driving seat are you?

I don't think there are any male cpus in shadow vessels. They are all female... with PMS. Which is why when you piss them off they will hunt you down, unrelentingly, until they have destroyed you

Well we see at least one male blip rigged up for implantation into shadow vessels, so I'd assume there's nor eason a male couldn't be implanted.

LBH

 

[Banichi]

It's not really remote control if the controlling being is inside the ship. I mean, you're not remote controlling a car while you're driving it sitting in the driving seat are you?

But I thought that the being inside the shadow ship wasn't controling the ship, it was part of the mechanism, kind of like a reciever. Thats how come telepaths could jam shadow ships, they block the signal to the reciever.

 

[lastbesthope]

That's not my understanding, my understanding was that the telepaths blocked the signal from the living CPU< or just outright distrupted the living CPU itself, hence wanting teep CPUs so they could block telepathic sabotage.

Although thinking about Lyta starting up all the teeps to sabotage those Omegas, was she just waking them up or directing them as well. I always assumed the former, until now. But I think I'll stick with my first opinion.

LBH

 

[Banichi]

Interesting. I'd always thought that shadow ships were great big remote control toys. Controled by the shadows via the CPU/person inside.

I think you are right about the teeps used to muck up the omegas. Lyta was sending them a wake up signal, and they were programed to automatically link into the closest machine.

 

[Rabidchild]

I agree with you. 8)

 

[Banichi]

I think it is a valid idea. Matt has always seemed to be against improving or changing the fighters themselves very much (1st ed to 2nd ed changes not withstanding), but this lets the fighter's performance be improved without changing the fighters. And it is consistant with the fluff concerning how shadow fighters work.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Never saw an episode where the fighters got jammed, only the big shadow ships. Speculation abounds! I thought that the fighters were stand alone craft, semi or fully sentient on their own, not requiring guidence from the mother ship.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Id say each Shadow ship / fighter has a living cpu. Id hate to have a male cpu as most cant multi task.

Most can. Where did you derive this bit "fact" from?

 

[wkehrman]

Id say each Shadow ship / fighter has a living cpu. Id hate to have a male cpu as most cant multi task.

Most can. Where did you derive this bit "fact" from?

Harvard med school actually. Has something to do with the larger corpus callosum in a womans brain.

Though to be accurate, I think the claim was that women can multi-task better than men, not that men can't multi-task.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Id say each Shadow ship / fighter has a living cpu. Id hate to have a male cpu as most cant multi task.

Most can. Where did you derive this bit "fact" from?

Harvard med school actually. Has something to do with the larger corpus callosum in a womans brain.

Though to be accurate, I think the claim was that women can multi-task better than men, not that men can't multi-task.

Well, so much for the validity of studies

 

[dag'karlove]

:shock:

 

[Shadow Queen]

Im typing and eating Ice cream at the same time.

 

[wkehrman]

Most can. Where did you derive this bit "fact" from?

Harvard med school actually. Has something to do with the larger corpus callosum in a womans brain.

Though to be accurate, I think the claim was that women can multi-task better than men, not that men can't multi-task.

Well, so much for the validity of studies

The great irony of it is that Harvard, which leans more to the left than most universities, published this study which concluded that men and women do better at different tasks. Of course the left went ape over this. According to them this meant that there were things a woman could not do as well as a man. Being politically and emotionally motivated rather than scientifically motivated, they completely ignored the flip side of the coin...there were things a man could not do as well as a woman.

The example they used was in the medical profession. Women, they argued, made better general / family practitioners. they possess both better relationship motivation as well as a broader vision of symptom problem relation. In short, they were better able to figure out why someone was experiencing certain symptoms. Men, on the other hand, made better specialists. They are goal oriented and task focused and so, once the problem has been identified, they could focus on fixing the problem.

There were a number of things overlooked in this. First, just because women are more likely to be better at a task does not mean that a particular woman is more suited to a task than a particular man or vice versa. Second, the strengths and weaknesses of the particular genders were generally complementary, i.e., put a team of doctors together with women as generalists and men as specialists and you (probably) can't go wrong. Finally, this is based on fairly lengthy brain research which included mapping the brain as tasks took place. The corpus callosum, the bit of the brain that connects the two hemispheres is 75% larger in women than men. This allows the two sides of the brain to function together more efficiently.

 

[wkehrman]

Im typing and eating Ice cream at the same time.

I can chat with two people and play an online game at the same time. Jason Alexander has nothing on me!