The Gray Council Sharlin

[Burger]

The Minbari flagship was the Emfeeli, but I think this was the warrior caste ship normally commanded by Neroon, rather than the Grey Council ship, which was seperate. The latter only attended the battle of the line because the Minbari leadership wanted to capture a human to decide whether or not to exterminate them - I don't think the ship played a commanding role in the battle as such.

Actually it was to determine to the strengh of Earths defences they used the de-dar to probe his mind and it did some thing it shouldn't have and they went bugger....

That's the reason Delenn gave - it wasn't strictly true. The Vorlon made her do it!

 

[skavendan]

That's the reason Delenn gave - it wasn't strictly true. The Vorlon made her do it!

Yup but the Vorlon say Jump the Minbari say how high!

Quote: God works in misterious ways, Gariboldy: but he's a con man compared to the Vorlon.

 

[Greg Smith]

Really? - I am not sure she has / had any say in that matter - she is the Head of State not a policy maker -

She is also Commander-in-Chief of both British and Canadian armed forces.

Of course her Grandson was out in a warzone recently

Using that as an example, the Grey Council Sharlin would have oodles of extra stealth. But once its stealth is broken, it goes home.

 

[Da Boss]

Really? - I am not sure she has / had any say in that matter - she is the Head of State not a policy maker -

She is also Commander-in-Chief of both British and Canadian armed forces.

Of course her Grandson was out in a warzone recently

Using that as an example, the Grey Council Sharlin would have oodles of extra stealth. But once its stealth is broken, it goes home.

Hmm to the first yes...........but at present does not decide the wars they fight?

to the second clever

 

[skavendan]

lmao

 

[Shadow Queen]

Why should the Sharlin for the Grey Council be any better than a standard Sharlin?

Why not just give it the existing Admiral special rules? Now it gets a few funky things that improves it, but the cost of the ship is now at Armageddon? Seems like an easy way to me...

She is a command and control ship with some Vorlon tech and is unique.

IF you read one of my other posts on this topic you will have to waite for the EARTH MINBARI WAR UPDATE TO SEE THE STATS

 

[tneva82]

Why should the Sharlin for the Grey Council be any better than a standard Sharlin?

Why not just give it the existing Admiral special rules? Now it gets a few funky things that improves it, but the cost of the ship is now at Armageddon? Seems like an easy way to me...

She is a command and control ship with some Vorlon tech and is unique.

VORLON tech???

Where on earth they got vorlon tech to fit into grey council sharlin looking how they got contact again(after last great war) with vorlons only around earth-minbari war(and even then in very, very limited scale...First Dukhat, then Delenn...). Did they give them vorlon tech during last shadow war or what? This would mean they could build vorlon tech ships at will looking how sharlin was designed post-shadow war and ergo grey council sharlin could not be built during the last time minbari had serious contacts with vorlons.

And if Dukhat got them how on earth would he pass the tech around to ship designers? Don't know about you but don't you think the minbari ship designers would ask "few" questions if Dukhat would give them vorlon tech without telling the source?

I somehow doubt canonity of that fluff and looking at canon plausability of vorlon tech seems doubtful.

 

[Shadow Queen]

1. Read the 1st Edition Earth Minbari war book

2. ask Bryan Steele who wrote the book.

 

[Burger]

I also have to say "Vorlon tech WTF???" - unless a Vorlon being on board counts as "tech" - well he has an encounte suit?

 

[tneva82]

1. Read the 1st Edition Earth Minbari war book

So where did the tech come? Sharlins were built post-shadow war so couldn't have come from there or minbari have ability to reproduce vorlon tech at will. Couldn't come when minbari got full contacts with vorlons which happened around the time of series. Definetly post-earth-minbari war anyway. Pre-earth-minbari war only one who had contacts was Dukhat and then Delenn and that ranger guy.

Sounds like Bryan added something he thought was cool regardless of wether background supports the idea just to get more powerful ship. Perfect example of power creep and background to hell in order to give cooler toy for gamers to buy.

Lemme see. Was it accompanied by "how to convert grey council sharlin" or by the very least "this is how you must paint grey council sharlin" guide to boost sharlin sales?-)

 

[Clanger]

I would think the only "true" source canon material would be from JMS or material wholely approved by him.

I do not mind people addding their unoffical take on it for padding etc. It does irk me that that people cry it is in a book so it is canon.

The last I remember is that the ONLY contact the Minbari had with the Vorlons was 2 Vorlons in Encounter Suits and the last Shadow War. Then they helped them with the White Stars.

If the Grey Council ship was Vorlon Tech I think the Vorlons would be more wide spread and known by the Minbari not just a very few individuals.

 

[Burger]

If the Grey Council ship was Vorlon Tech I think the Vorlons would be more wide spread and known by the Minbari not just a very few individuals.

Yeah, I think people would ask "Hey I thought it was the grey council, not the yellow/green/blue blotchy council... and whats with the tentacles? Nice lightning effect on the gun though"

 

[skavendan]

It seems highly unlikely that there is anything on that ship that the Vorlons added...

As stated already it would stand out a mile! so no regeneration...

Is there anything part from that worth adding I mean Minbari ships are fairly nasty anyway... and good stealth

 

[Locutus9956]

In reply to Triggy's post a couple of pages back, yes I know everyone would take it over the regular Sharlin without there being any other downside but thats why I think it should award extra VPs.

But a -1 to its fusion beams wouldnt be a big problem either, the main point though is it shouldnt be a massively different ship, it IS basically just a sharlin thats slightly tougher.

 

[Da Boss]

Adaptive armour, lighting cannon :shock:

 

[skavendan]

Adaptive armour, lighting cannon :shock:

Adaptive armour maybe but I would say no to the lightning cannon and then the ships really screaming LOOK WHERE THE ONES IN CHARGE PLEASE KILL US! as it would surly look differently to your general Minbari ship.

Night of the long knives assassion anyone?

 

[Da Boss]

Why should the Sharlin for the Grey Council be any better than a standard Sharlin?

Why not just give it the existing Admiral special rules? Now it gets a few funky things that improves it, but the cost of the ship is now at Armageddon? Seems like an easy way to me...

She is a command and control ship with some Vorlon tech and is unique.

VORLON tech???

Where on earth they got vorlon tech to fit into grey council sharlin looking how they got contact again(after last great war) with vorlons only around earth-minbari war(and even then in very, very limited scale...First Dukhat, then Delenn...). Did they give them vorlon tech during last shadow war or what? This would mean they could build vorlon tech ships at will looking how sharlin was designed post-shadow war and ergo grey council sharlin could not be built during the last time minbari had serious contacts with vorlons.

And if Dukhat got them how on earth would he pass the tech around to ship designers? Don't know about you but don't you think the minbari ship designers would ask "few" questions if Dukhat would give them vorlon tech without telling the source?

I somehow doubt canonity of that fluff and looking at canon plausability of vorlon tech seems doubtful.

Maybe the Sharlin is the Minbari version of the Vorlon tech ship they have? or not - just throwing ideas in?

 

[lastbesthope]

Hmm true but they were close enough to have enemy fighters attack them - however ineffectively -

It's never stated on screen which ship Sinclair was ramming is it? Did we ever see for sure a fighter attacking the Grey Council ship at the Line?

LBH

 

[Da Boss]

reaching a little there - they were certainly in range to be attacked and / rammed - I don't think the tractor beam thing was especailly long range?

 

[Shadow Queen]

no its a short range fighter/ detritus mover


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