Ship rating system

[TGT]

I've seen stats around the forum (from Triggy I think)
comparing ships across priority levels. Have these been seen as approximately accurate?

Does anyone have access to this "comparison software" for ship capabilities?

I'd like to plug in available ships for the Dilgar Tourney I'm running in May, and check the comparison list isn't too Dilgar top heavy for fleet selection.

thanks

 

[Triggy]

I can have a check for you if you send them over to me but unfortunately it's not really a formula as such - it's a bunch of formulae, a sequence and a very small amount of judgement. I can add you to tschuma and anyone else who wants it when I send it out (soon) if you like.

 

[jimmor]

I am working on a rating system - when I'll have it stable I'll publish it somehow. Of course I'm eager to see your system, too.

 

[tschuma]

Triggy

Send me your spreadsheet, pleae. I have Humbaba's ideas, but no realy way to start.

Alos, are you going to have a 2008 F1 League? With a last name of Schumacher, I have a tnedency to follow the Ferrari's!

tschuma

 

[lastbesthope]

I can have a check for you if you send them over to me but unfortunately it's not really a formula as such - it's a bunch of formulae, a sequence and a very small amount of judgement. I can add you to tschuma and anyone else who wants it when I send it out (soon) if you like.

Can I have a copy please Triggy?

Cheers

LBH

 

[Triggy]

Triggy

Send me your spreadsheet, pleae. I have Humbaba's ideas, but no realy way to start.

Alos, are you going to have a 2008 F1 League? With a last name of Schumacher, I have a tnedency to follow the Ferrari's!

tschuma

I'll try and get the lists of rules/formulae ready for the weekend I have a few ideas for an updated method but the established one is quite quick and works fairly well. LBH - you're added to the list.

Yes, my Fantasy F1 League is up for 2008, check it out in my signiature! More elements of functionality will be added later this season (such as altering your team online rather than needing to e-mail me) but the prices and entry forms are all up. Please feel free to enter and invite anyone else you know and go for the prize of a replica official team shirt.

 

[wpngjstr]

I also would be interested in seeing it

Out of curiosity, how well does it handle synergy issues (eg the Gaim)?

 

[Triggy]

I also would be interested in seeing it

Out of curiosity, how well does it handle synergy issues (eg the Gaim)?

Most of those are multiplicative (but I have thought about this in detail and believe I have them the right way around, even if they aren't perfect).

e.g. a Gaim Skirmish Queen has 19 Damage (and roughly 1/4-1/5 threshold so no modifier there).

Take that 19, add 4 for Interceptors 2.
Multiply the whole lot by 13/12 (for any ship with Interceptors).
Multiply that total by 4/3 for Hull 6.

Your total is the defensive value for the ship (with an average Skirmish PL value of 22-28), in this case 33.22.

I have tried ideas for AF, Escort and a few others but they're not fully incorporated yet. All of the major systems like GEG, Stealth and Interceptors are though.

You multiply this defensive value by the ship's offensive value then by a factor that takes into account the defenceffence ratio (more offensive ships are better than defensive ships) and add on extras such as fighters, etc.

 

[Ripple]

Triggy, if you would, add me to the list. I'd love to have some hard numbers to punch around when looking at 'house tendencies' vs real value of a ship. Too much can become just 'the way we play'.

Ripple

 

[Humbaba]

TGT – I, of course, have my ratings for 2E and I would gladly send out the sheets, but the files are a bit on the large size and they are difficult to use if you aren’t that familiar with them. At the moment my time is pretty limited, but I could try to put your designs through the system if you would like – I set up the entry to go much more quickly this time around. Another alternative is that I could email you a copy of the Access database forms and tables I used for data entry (which really speeds up the process for me), you could enter your ships in and I could send them through the two Excel work books to spit out the numbers for you (I had to split the calculations into two workbooks as they became to big to open as one workbook). PM me if interested.

Triggy – please add me to the list – I am very interested to see how are approaches compare (someday we will both have all of the numbers). I like the idea of a “heavy attack” weighting factor myself, but I keep wondering how much it is off-set by a potential “you only get points for what you kill” defensive benefit – especially in timed tournament matches.

Wpngjstr – I have given a lot of thought to synergy issues, but I can’t say that I have incorporated much into the calculations. The Gaim are, in my opinion, by far the most synergy driven of the fleets and I found myself working too much around them as my “synergy model”, which I felt might ultimately invalidate my approach as the results would project too much of what I expected to see. It is an interesting conundrum. I am particularly interested in the defensive potential in long range support ships granted them by a “we don’t get attacked as much” factor – the Sagittarius as a potential example. Of course, the overall composition of your fleet has a big effect on this; eventually I left it out of my calculations and left it as one of my judgment factors when assessing a potential fleet of ships.

 

[tschuma]

Humbaba

Can you post the results for 2E like you did before, based ont he priority levels?

tschuma

 

[lastbesthope]

LBH - you're added to the list.

Cheers mate.

LBH

 

[Jhary]

triggy im allso interested on formular´s

 

[Humbaba]

Tschuma – I would be happy to, but I am waiting for Triggy to finish up his so that we might post them together. I think it will be interesting to see our results posted side by side. As mentioned, I think it would be interesting to see a couple of experienced player’s intuitive ratings as well.

 

[tschuma]

Humbab

Thanks, I am in a round robin style of tournament and thinnking about have a Doubles Tournament, based on the one Mongoose is having, here in Cincinnati, so I am a little busy!

I would be nice to see them both.

tschuma

 

[Triggy]

Humbaba - what with a combination of life and trying to refine my model to be more detailed, I haven't had the chance to work everything out yet. Soon though hopefully

I should have the formulae typed up this weekend as I'm relatively free.

 

[Humbaba]

Excellent! - I look forward to the comparisons and advantages and limitations of each system. Do you want to start with Armageddon as there are so few ships in that priority level?

 

[tschuma]

Any word on the ratings?