Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
I had previously suggested that as the reason there are only twelve mortgage payments per year, in spite of there being thirteen opportunities for the bank to suck funds from their
Ship Maintenance costs
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
1. Why stick to Terra standard rotational period?
2. Are there jump/leap years?
3. My gnomes have a five day week, and miss out on Saturdays.
2. Are there jump/leap years?
3. My gnomes have a five day week, and miss out on Saturdays.
I assume that parts are needed for the monthly maintenance and that the storage for 4 weeks is included in the ship design. Additional maintenance and life support tonnage if purchased ahead of time uses the Supply Rule in High Guard on page 53. A 200 ton ship would use .02 tons of maintenance supplies and life support a day. I also don't see any reason you can't handwave away the storage and say that the money is just put aside for the annual maintenance. Your game.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
It’s been argued about before. My personal solution to that mixing of timeframes is to have 13 months and Holiday. Like you said, the 13th month is for annual maintenance and there is no mortgage payment as the ship is out of service for a good bit of it. Vacation can happen then, too. Keeps it to 12 mortgage payments a year but preserves the 4 week maintenance periods.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
The banks are all headquartered on Terra?
Geir
Emperor Mongoose
Yep 13 x 28 = 364 +1 for the holiday. When this (4 weeks in a month, 12 months in a year for expense purposes) was first clarified in the 2022 edition I made a bit of a stink (pushing for 30 days in a month, because at least that was closer...) but to no avail. What it does for wages... well best take the 13th month up with the Spacers Union - you'll get your 13th month at the low-low cost of 1/13 of your pay in union dues (wait, was that my outside voice typing?)
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
So, 337 days in an Imperial year? I can live with that. Wish they’d spelled it out more clearly. Now I’ll need to go find it.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
No mention of Holiday, but there are 12 4-week maintenance periods a year. 336 days an Imperial year. Makes one wonder if the Imperial day is different, too.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Six week paid annual leave.
Maternity leave.
Maternity leave.
Geir
Emperor Mongoose
I never said that. I said I didn't like that it didn't add up, but there's still 365 days in the Imperial Year.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Imperial Calendar - Traveller
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I’m not sure there are, when reading the core book. I did before, but then I found this.
The book says a maintenance period is four weeks. This says clear as day that there are twelve maintenance periods a year. Not the answer I expected but it does seem to be saying that.
Unless, of course, you don’t pay maintenance on the thirteenth month. If you’re doing annual maintenance then that might make sense, but I didn’t find anything that said that either.
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MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
At this point, you should work out the maintenance cost of the ship. For this, simply take the total cost of the ship, minus any other ships it is carrying and divide by 1,000. Divide this final figure by 12, and you will have the regular maintenance cost of the ship, payable every Maintenance Period (see page 149)
This could be read to say that you simply do it like the example below.
50MCr Ship divided by 1,000 = 50,000Cr divided by 12 = 4,167Cr payable 13 times a year.
This could be read to say that you simply do it like the example below.
50MCr Ship divided by 1,000 = 50,000Cr divided by 12 = 4,167Cr payable 13 times a year.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Actual wear and tear could be linked to actual usage.
Which means maintenance would be linked to some overhead cost, plus hours in use.
Which means maintenance would be linked to some overhead cost, plus hours in use.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Sorry, if you divide by 12 to get it for a year, you won’t be paying 13 times a year. You’d be dividing by 13 and paying 13 times a year.
This is really something Mongoose should spell out. Seriously. How long is a year? Hell, how long is an Imperial day or hour?
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
Why? It could be saying that you divide by 12 to get the base payment and then pay 13 times a year to cover the interest payment.
Third Imperium page 3.
"Each of the Major Races has its own dating system but this book uses that of Humaniti, specifically the Imperial Calendar. The Imperium measures time in years, which consist of 365 days of 24 hours each. The first day of the year is called Holiday and the remainder of the year is divided into seven-day weeks, whose days are called Wonday, Tuday, Thirday, Forday, Fiday, Sixday and Senday."
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
If that was what they wanted, they could spell it out. Your way is similar to how I get around the mortgage, so I’m obviously not against it, but as written, it’s 12 months. Which conflicts with what you posted below. They need to decide one way or the other.
Ah. Well, it at least it makes sense here. They should fix the core rulebook.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
But the accounting period counts.
Quarterly reports and goals.
Quarterly reports and goals.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
The problem that I have is that they did spell it out. They said you divide by 12 to get the amount you pay ever Maintenance Period. They never say that there are only 12 Maintenance Periods in a year. They only do say that, you pay every 4 weeks.
