Questions re Grenades
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The Old Soldier
Mongoose
First action ready, second action use.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
You sure TOS? makes no mention of a second action requiremnt, unlike Covered Advance which clearly states you need to Ready before Move
LBH
LBH
I dunno, to me the use of one action to ready (provoking a reaction) then the action of using grenades sounds like suicide that means grenades will never be used.
I think when it says any unit may elect to use grenades with a ready action, means that they use them in the same action as the ready. It means they throw grenades rather than shoot, move or any perform any other action. I would then further suggest that the unit is not readied for the next action as they have already used the action by chucking said grenades.
I think when it says any unit may elect to use grenades with a ready action, means that they use them in the same action as the ready. It means they throw grenades rather than shoot, move or any perform any other action. I would then further suggest that the unit is not readied for the next action as they have already used the action by chucking said grenades.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
The whole section on grenades in a structure might as well be just black marked and removed from the Rule Book. It is very vague and makes little sense. ALL rules reqarding ready means to use a ready action. Why would this one be any different? The only thing grenades have going for them is the fact they negate cover saves for the targets in the building.
I would have rather had it written as a special Action. Any unit with a model within the building or within 6" of the building may place a 3" FZ anywhere within the building up to 6" from one of the models of the firing unit. This FZ acts as per normal FZ rules except all models within the FZ will have Damage Dice of a D6 rolled against it bla, bla, bla,.......
I see no reason why the unit using the grenades couldn't make another action during thier turn. I have used grenades, you toss em in, then while the enemy is hopefully stunned, wounded or dieing finish them off with close quarter fire after going in to get them.
I would have rather had it written as a special Action. Any unit with a model within the building or within 6" of the building may place a 3" FZ anywhere within the building up to 6" from one of the models of the firing unit. This FZ acts as per normal FZ rules except all models within the FZ will have Damage Dice of a D6 rolled against it bla, bla, bla,.......
I see no reason why the unit using the grenades couldn't make another action during thier turn. I have used grenades, you toss em in, then while the enemy is hopefully stunned, wounded or dieing finish them off with close quarter fire after going in to get them.
The Old Soldier said:
Thats my feeling, and if they are used in the action you ready then they would work that way and make sense. However its not well written to make it clear, in most other instances of using ready actions to do things, it says specificaly that you can take this advantage in your next action. For example with Extreme Range on page 32 itr says "the unit must first take a ready action".
lastbesthope
Mongoose
BuShips said:
Because requiring a Ready Action to do it stops it being done as a reaction. Maybe???
LBH
BuShips said:lastbesthope said:
Yes, that could be an answer. I'm not saying that it should take two Actions to use a grenade mind you, as I'd have just called it a Shoot action and be done with it. It would be simple that way, and I like simple.
Naa I think it shouldn't be a shoot action, as its a special action. However I do think the instructions could have been better worded.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
If it is suppose to be used in the same action, then call it what it is. A special shoot action (THROW). Just like you have in the Air phase a special move action (LAND), or a special shoot action (BOMB).
Either that or if it is intended to be readied before throwing, then make the ready action SPECIAL in that it does not provoke a reaction.
The word ready should only be used as a action to prepare something. That way there is no confusion.
Either that or if it is intended to be readied before throwing, then make the ready action SPECIAL in that it does not provoke a reaction.
The word ready should only be used as a action to prepare something. That way there is no confusion.
The Old Soldier said:
Quite agree about the unclear wording :evil:. It really doesn't help, but I still think if it took 2 actions to throw grenades (even if it didn't provoke a reaction) would spoil the idea, I am sure the idea should be trow in grenades then charge to try and take the enemy out hand to hand.
Argh have just noticed something else potentaily missing from the grenades rule....
What happens to friendly models from the same unit caught in the fire zone, reading it as it stands now they should be fine, as models in the unit that create the FZ can't be hit by it.... Surely grenades are different.
What happens to friendly models from the same unit caught in the fire zone, reading it as it stands now they should be fine, as models in the unit that create the FZ can't be hit by it.... Surely grenades are different.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Works in the same way as a normal FZ. The unit creating it can not be harmed by thier own FZ, but can harm other friendly or enemy units.
Nothing missing.
Nothing missing.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
The same way it did when I threw them. Building consist of rooms and hallways. You just make sure you get them in where they can work thier wonders without killing yourself. Remember this is a abstract game.
Fire zones do differentiate grenades don't. When you are using them in a different room you can say you are placing the FZ so that it doesn't catch your own guys. Using the rules as you stand I could jump my SAS out of ambush right into the middle of your squad and then grenade your huys but not my own...... Thats not abstract its bollocks.
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
There may not be smart grenades, but there are smart soldiers. All this has become redundant.
The only problem with the rules is the vagueness about who the grenades are used, not the way the FZ works. I got nothing more to add.
The only problem with the rules is the vagueness about who the grenades are used, not the way the FZ works. I got nothing more to add.
