Potentially a stupid question: Victory Destroyer related.

ubersnug

Mongoose
Something that has been bothering me the past week or two.

If you declare to fire the Victory's Lightning Cannon the rules state that it can do nothing apart from drift in the following turn. Im guessing this also affects the Interceptors and Defensive weapons as well - makes sense. But does it also affect the Command +3 and Adaptive Armour traits? Meaning that the Enemy gets a turn of firing at the Victory without its armour bonus and I lose my + 3 to my initiative?

Also, when the Victory is crippled and you roll to see what traits are lost, do you also roll for the Adaptive armour? Going with RAW you would, but going with the fluff it doesn't make sense as I thought the armour was based on Vorlon technology. Unless they try and write it off as some sort of shield technology.

Finally, I get the impression that alot of people on the board don't rate the Victory all that well. I personally don't see the benefits of wasting an entire turn from firing a weapon which only gives an additional +2 AD and an additional point of damage per hit over its other big weapon as well as its secondary systems.

What are others peoples opinions? Has anyone got any interesting scenarios where they used the Victory (or indeed any of the other Armageddon class ships) and has had stunning performances with them? Particularly curious to hear how well the Brivoki, Ka'Bin'Tak and Adira class ships perform.

(speaking of which, how rare is the Brivoki? I haven't seen one anywhere)
 
How we play it

the "do nothing" does not effect Adaptive Armour or Command

when a ship is crippled you roll for all traits thatcan be lost - ie don't roll for unique, lumbering etc. So yes you can loose AA to crippling or even a nasty crit.

the Vicitory is a reasonable armegeddon ship - the Adira is probably its match. Rare to see them on the table as a) game needs to be big enough and it needs support ships to deal with enemy attack / escorts.
 
I beleive the AA remains, as it's an inbuilt super skin thing, however the Comand should go, C+C is shutdown and lifeless, how can it help control the fleet? of course that is opinion, NOT rules fact or anything.

ok, the other big boys

Brivoki - A darn fine ship, the combination of two whopping beams, and shields is a very nice one. I have seen Brivokis fielded more often than any other Armageddon level ship, with spectacular effect (usually AGAINST me! lol. the only time i saw one killed... it was mine, killed by the enemy Brivoki..

KaBinTak - definately another of the top draw Armageddon ships, any ship that can sit for 4 rounds taking punishment off 3 sharlins before finally expiring is worth having. in response it killed a neroon, 2 sharlins, a Morshin and an Ashinta... It's main drawback alas is it's dismal speed, so it will get sniped at a lot

Adira - well what do you know, in My opinion at least you chose 3 of the finest armageddon ships to querry. The Adira is a bit of a bruiser, up close and personal, it outguns anything you can bring against it, it's also solid at medium range, but looses out a touch at long range. It also carries some of the finest fighters in the game, something the previous two most certainly do not!

Any one of these ships on the table is a scary prospect and with the Brivoki you also get some extra defence against crits thanks to those shields, alas, Crits are what will defeat them, being every bit as susceptible to em, as a patrol ship! The Victory is nice, the nemesis is a bit poop, but i think gets a P+P upgrade, and the Neroon is aweful. Vorlon and shadows are ok, but nothing special
 
Nope, the AA can be lost since it is a trait and not written in italic. Doesn't make much sense according to the fluff, but thats the rules.

I've used a Victory a few times in the past. Best one was 5pt War against another ISA fleet, he sent about 10 White Stars all CAF'd on my Victory. So I just afterburner'd out of all their arcs and fired the rear neutron laser :lol: 20" movement is quite surprising on such a big ship!!
 
Burger said:
Nope, the AA can be lost since it is a trait and not written in italic. Doesn't make much sense according to the fluff, but thats the rules.

ACTA, Sense? b'wah hahahahahahahhahahahahha
 
Thanks for all the replies so far.

Im guessing people aren't that fussed for the Nemesis either then?

Quick question. Anyone know where I could pick up a Brivoki from? or even know anyone who may be selling theirs? I've looked everywhere and I can't find one unfortunately.
 
The Nemesis is quite a beast in P&P, with its 20/2d6 shields, almost as good as an ancient shadow ship!
 
ubersnug said:
Thanks for all the replies so far.

Im guessing people aren't that fussed for the Nemesis either then?

Quick question. Anyone know where I could pick up a Brivoki from? or even know anyone who may be selling theirs? I've looked everywhere and I can't find one unfortunately.

I dont think there were very many produced -IIRC correctly the moulds etc failed - same thing with the Neroon...............
 
ubersnug said:
Quick question. Anyone know where I could pick up a Brivoki from? or even know anyone who may be selling theirs? I've looked everywhere and I can't find one unfortunately.

The Brivioki mini, (if thats the right word for it) was never commercially produced.

The only version, some call the "flying brick" was a single prototype pictured first in the superceded CTA Armegeddon supplement and a few times in Signs at Portents, (S&P) as well as the 2nd edition fleet manual of course.
 
No Brivoki was ever produced apart fromthe initial sculpt afaik.

however, get 2 dublo bricks, and some bits of plasticard and brass rods, throw them all in a bot with some glue, shake it, and what comes out, will be as ugly and rubbish as the planned mini!
 
Burger said:
The Nemesis is quite a beast in P&P, with its 20/2d6 shields, almost as good as an ancient shadow ship!

About time, very much looking forward to taking this out for a spin.

Have 3 minis, (Bought 1 when it first came out then got 2 in the old Crusade fleet box) but right through this ships history in CTA it has at best been mediocre and at worst dire so they have seldom seen the table.

Looks like that is about to change.
 
hiffano said:
No Brivoki was ever produced apart fromthe initial sculpt afaik.

however, get 2 dublo bricks, and some bits of plasticard and brass rods, throw them all in a bot with some glue, shake it, and what comes out, will be as ugly and rubbish as the planned mini!

Hey Hiff - You forgot the sony speaker.
 
Technically, by the show the victory doesnt really have adaptive armor, at least not the vorlon type. It has some fancy armor that reduces damage from energy weapons by 80%.
I think in the RPG thats how it worked. You would subtract 80% of the damage you took from energy weapons. Any type of physical weapon, like a rail gun, would do full damage though.
 
Burger said:
Nope, the AA can be lost since it is a trait and not written in italic. Doesn't make much sense according to the fluff, but thats the rules.

The hull has been shattered so badly that there are enough cracks in the armour for it to no longer function properly.
 
Ah nice save :)
So if you repair the crit that caused the trait loss, it means some dude has gone out onto the hull and re-painted it? :lol:
 
Burger said:
Ah nice save :)
So if you repair the crit that caused the trait loss, it means some dude has gone out onto the hull and re-painted it? :lol:

Or jerry-rigged the system to get it going again.

Jeez, Burger, what kind of sci-fi have you been watching?
 
Thanks for all the great replies so far guys.

It's interesting to read everyone's opinions on all the Fleets Armageddon Priority ships.

Since the range is very close to disappearing, me and 3 of my friends have been going a bit over board with the spending. I've also been interested in at least owning all the Armageddon class ships available in the game. So far I have 2 Victory class Destroyers, 2 Nemesis Advanced Destroyers, 1 Ka'Bin'Tac, technically I have a few Ancient Shadow cruisers as well as 2 Vorlon Heavy Destroyers. Currently I'm pondering buying an Adira, but i'm balking at the $49.99-$59.99 price tag it commands! And Im also gutted that the Brivoki isn't available to buy.

Can I ask, the guys that use them, what models do you use to proxy as a Brivoki?

Also, in teh past 3/4 months I've personally accumulated a stupid amount of ACTA mini's. A massive EA fleet comprising all 3 era's, a reasonable Psi-Corps fleet, as well as Shadow and Vorlon fleets. I've also just bought a Narn Fleet and Im considering a Centauri one as well.

It just costs too damn much!
 
ubersnug said:
Since the range is very close to disappearing, me and 3 of my friends have been going a bit over board with the spending. I've also been interested in at least owning all the Armageddon class ships available in the game. Currently I'm pondering buying an Adira, but i'm balking at the $49.99-$59.99 price tag it commands! And Im also gutted that the Brivoki isn't available to buy.

Can I ask, the guys that use them, what models do you use to proxy as a Brivoki?

Also, in teh past 3/4 months I've personally accumulated a stupid amount of ACTA mini's. A massive EA fleet comprising all 3 era's, a reasonable Psi-Corps fleet, as well as Shadow and Vorlon fleets. I've also just bought a Narn Fleet and Im considering a Centauri one as well.

It just costs too damn much!

Always good to have some more CTA players on board.

I tend to use either a Courami or a Cidikar as proxy for a Brivioki until I eventually get around to scratchbuilding 2 Brivioki's, (1 for my Abbai fleet)

The Adira as well as being a good ship on the table is probably the largest chunk of metal you will buy and in weight of metal alone justifies the price. (altthough I have a scratchbuilt supercarrier for another fleet which is in fact heavier). Some people don't like the model,I do and I own 2 Adira but only beceause they were so cheap during the great Mongoose sale.

Buying CTA ships has been an addiction for me as well. Started just before CTA appeared, (in support of B5 Wars), and have bought ships every month since then, including this one, although these days the minis I buy are for conversion, or for unique paint jobs, (Narn Vorchan anyone (and after P&P now want to paint a Narn Primus as well).

Hope you can continue build your fleets through E-bay, In any case welcome to CTA.
 
there are several versions I have seen of the Brivoki floating about.

There is also a very nice fan made version of the Adira................

on the large fleets - yep been there :)
 
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