Poseidon Class Super carrier Variant.

[alien027]

Hey Matt. Please think about this. Please! and I don't ask to have it on the E2 fleet book, I just ask to make it official in the S&P.

Ok, You know than the Poseidon have 16 starfury, Carrier 8, command +3, Fleet Carrier, Interceptor 6, Jump point, Shuttle 2 and Medium Pulse Cannon range 10" al around ad 8.

I just ask for this Variant than change the original to 8 Star fury and Thunderbolt. ( If you want the 16, I will be more than happy!) Shuttle 3 or 4 ( This is a Poseidon, You have all the space inside to do it) I enven sacrifice the command +3 for +2 and the 6 interceptor for 4.

Why this variant, Becase the planetary assault is almost imposible to acomplist. at least al a high level EA will have a better chance.

Ah! and if the hyperion could have Medium Pulse Cannon with a decent ad and TL.

Just that. :wink:

 

[CZuschlag]

I believe the Raid-level Tantalus-class Assault ship is what you're looking for, then. Hull 5, just as fast, Shuttles 4, 12 Troops, better guns the Poseidon. 2 T-Bolts, 2 Breaching pods .... what a steal! It's everything you want, already built in a cheper package, at Raid level. Enjoy!

As to the Hyperion? As it stands, this is a nasty enough ship, thank you. The strength of Hyperions in squadrons backed by Hermes placed second at Chicago V, and for very good reason.

 

[alien027]

Clearlly you never try a Planetary assault at high level? Thunderbolt are the best choise to destroy troops at the planet. And for the Hyperion assault cruiser, DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE WEAPON TO MAKE PLANETARY BOMBARMENT! and one shuttle, well.... let say than the pannet do not have to much to worry about.

 

[H]

but for one poseidon, you can get multiple Tantalus and Avengers armed to the teeth with T-Bolts. (ok, I apologise if the avenger can't carry t-bolts)
The poseidon is a carrier, not an assault ship, and i can't see why EA commanders would strip it's carrier capeability when they only have a few anyway.
I know it's frustrating when you don't have great ships for a scenario, but spare a thought for other races who don't have a 16 fighter carrier, or a dedicated assault ship, or the Brakiri, whose Ikortas don't even have atmospheric (despite the fluff saying they can do planetary landings!)

 

[locarno24]

Remember you can come mob-handed with thunderbolts on pretty much any capital ship...
You can replace starfuries with thunderbolts on almost anything.

The tantalus is indeed your planetary assault ship. Use them. They rock.

 

[CZuschlag]

Seriously, alien027, with the armageddon changes, it isn't nearly as hard as it used to be. You now never have any reason to wory about time limits, as I seem to remember that Planetary Assault no longer has one. The forces got easier as well.

That indefinite time limit means that emplacements should never be a problem for anyone. Don't land until they're gone. Any number of weapon systems can help scrub a planet of these, including heavy beam arrays.

Yes, rate of ship delivery of troops is a concern, because killing troops is rough. But, as bad as it might be for Crusade EA, consider these other races that don't have any sort of troopship at all to even consider using in such a scenario:

-- Minbari (the Torotha?! Not!)
-- Drazi (what troopship?)
-- Abbai
-- Drakh
-- Centauri .... they have to buy a whole Secundus to get 10-12 troops on a ship? Ouch!
-- Vree
-- pak'ma'ra, where no ship has more than 2 troops in the whole fleet (I think).
-- How does a Shadow or Vorlon win a Planetary Assault with no troops, anyways?

I think you'll find Crusade EA, with the Tantalus, one of the best equipped races to deal with this. The other well-armed races for the task are

-- Dilgar (Virus Bombs solve everything)
-- Narn (T'Loth)
-- Brakiri (cheap access to tons of troops on Ikortas)
-- Crusade EA (Tantalus)
-- 3rd Age EA (Hyperion Assault + Thunderbolts)

Cheer up. You're on the good side of the ledger on this one!

 

[alien027]

but for one poseidon, you can get multiple Tantalus and Avengers armed to the teeth with T-Bolts. (ok, I apologise if the avenger can't carry t-bolts)
The poseidon is a carrier, not an assault ship, and i can't see why EA commanders would strip it's carrier capeability when they only have a few anyway.
I know it's frustrating when you don't have great ships for a scenario, but spare a thought for other races who don't have a 16 fighter carrier, or a dedicated assault ship, or the Brakiri, whose Ikortas don't even have atmospheric (despite the fluff saying they can do planetary landings!)

Hiffano, I know what you mean, but look to this diagram and see what I see ( I'm not mean to be correct 100% but look at it.).

As the drawing show, is very dificult to win a planetary assault if you don't get to the planet at the 5 turn. theenemy fleet, planetary defence, patrol boat and enemy troop make the task very dificult. But if those Thunderbolts get to the planet on time and destroy all troop and a ship can destroy some emplament. you got a preaty good chance. This only a point of view.

 

[alien027]

Seriously, alien027, with the armageddon changes, it isn't nearly as hard as it used to be. You now never have any reason to wory about time limits, as I seem to remember that Planetary Assault no longer has one. The forces got easier as well.

That indefinite time limit means that emplacements should never be a problem for anyone. Don't land until they're gone. Any number of weapon systems can help scrub a planet of these, including heavy beam arrays.

Yes, rate of ship delivery of troops is a concern, because killing troops is rough. But, as bad as it might be for Crusade EA, consider these other races that don't have any sort of troopship at all to even consider using in such a scenario:

-- Minbari (the Torotha?! Not!)
-- Drazi (what troopship?)
-- Abbai
-- Drakh
-- Centauri .... they have to buy a whole Secundus to get 10-12 troops on a ship? Ouch!
-- Vree
-- pak'ma'ra, where no ship has more than 2 troops in the whole fleet (I think).
-- How does a Shadow or Vorlon win a Planetary Assault with no troops, anyways?

I think you'll find Crusade EA, with the Tantalus, one of the best equipped races to deal with this. The other well-armed races for the task are

-- Dilgar (Virus Bombs solve everything)
-- Narn (T'Loth)
-- Brakiri (cheap access to tons of troops on Ikortas)
-- Crusade EA (Tantalus)
-- 3rd Age EA (Hyperion Assault + Thunderbolts)

Cheer up. You're on the good side of the ledger on this one!

I understand your point, But I'm a EA commander than I plan for my fleet. The other races commander has the reponsability to see and give posible solution for their fleet problem. At the end the only thing I ask is for a Poseidon Variant than carry X amount of Thunderbolt. Even in page 43 of the Sky Full of Stars say: Recent designs posses slightly expanded bays to permit the use of Thnderbolt but the first model could only employ Aurora Starfury. Then I talking a Poseidon at Crusade Era, when the thunderbolt is more use in those days.

 

[Locutus9956]

Erm Alien you can under the current rules replace any Starfury flight in any EA ship in crusade or third age fleets with T-Bolts. You dont need a magic rule change just swap 8 T-Bolts out for 8 Furies, just because the models doesnt come with them doesnt mean you cant field them!

 

[alien027]

Yes that is also true. But in a campain is cheaper if the Posiedon has it. But what i don't understand is, What is the problem to ask for a Poisedon variant? :? All the other races has ships wil 2 or 3 Variant. I just what one more for the Poseidon. For real, is that much?

And remember, If you pay that much for that ship, you want to use it as many time as you can. And if the ship could have a few Variant, you will have that chance.

 

[H]

I think the issue is that the EA already gets the most support from the company, and other players were feeling a bit miffed, hence I suspect the recent brakiri work. You do already have a dedicated assault ship that other races don't. If everyone got the varient they asked for, their would be hundreds of ships per race!

 

[alien027]

I greed with you. But with the division of the 3 ages, My fleet broke up and I'm using 1/4 of my fleet. The Tantalus is not a bad ship. But what I looking is than the fighters cover my planetary assalt and use the troop of the poseidon to secure the planet. remember than the rest of the feet could cover my Poseidon. Lets do something, Try a play test and tell me what you found. Btw: did you like the rawing?

 

[Commador Q]

i'd like to point out that since the t-bolt can attack emplacments (with their missiles) as well as kill troops, all you really need to make the posidon (or any EA ship for that matter) a sucessfull assault ship should be filling it with T-bolts.

if you put enough T-bolts in the air, you can capture the planet with just one troop, once the oposition is dead.

All things concidered, i'd say that one Avenger, and 2 of those raid level assault ships is basically the same as your posidon varient, in the areas you claim to care about.

as for wanting to use the posidon any time you can, i can understand that, but there seem (to me at least) to be other issues with the posidon than it's inability to handle planetary assault without support.

i for one would rather see an armored varient, which traids some of it's command bonus and a fury or two for slightly better interceptors, and more importantly a hull bump.

 

[alien027]

Well then I could change my Argument and ask for a Tantalus Variant than carry a few Thunderbolt.

 

[Burger]

You can swap Starfuries out for Thunderbolts for free anyway. What else do you want?

 

[H]

I want a big ice cream, double 99, with chocholate and mint ice cream, 2 flakes and oodles of strawberry sauce and nuts.

 

[Burger]

I'm sure Hash's associates can arrange that for you.

 

[alien027]

You can swap Starfuries out for Thunderbolts for free anyway. What else do you want?

The official book name, Page, Paragraph where say I could do that.

Btw: (hiffano) When you find the big ice cream, double 99, with chocholate and mint ice cream, 2 flakes and oodles of strawberry sauce and nuts. Buy me one, I will pay you later. :lol:

 

[H]

as long as you also pay for the refrigerated container I'll need to ship it over to you in

 

[CZuschlag]

SFoS, pg. 30, Column 3, paragraph 3, sentence 1:

"Any ship carrying one or more Starfury flights may replace any number of them for Thunderbolts (so long as the scenario is set in 2259 or later) or Breaching Pods."

Right next to your Earth Alliance Fleet List. You should never have missed it ... unless you don't have SFoS. Pretty clear.

If you haven't bought SFoS, and are getting this information for free, you are hereby ordered to buy 2 copies to make up for trying to steal book access by asking about it on the web.