Playtest Rules - Psi Corps
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Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Did anyone mention that the mini-beams are seen firing from every weapon mount and we see no other weapons used by the ship at all?
Ministalker
Mongoose
Foxmeister said:
Your probably right, but as the Psi Corps is currently defined as a separate list I think we have to consider EA as allies and so they should remain in minority in the FAP.
Foxmeister said:
The idea sounds interesting but it would end up to another EA fleet variant and the risk would eventually be to have one day, half of the fleet book used for EA...
Ministalker
Mongoose
skavendan said:
I'm affraid you are completly right. I guess it's really time to give this ship a chance OR decide it was a prototype model, use it as a side choice and design a real war hull for the Psi Corps.
I'd definitly prefer to keep it and have it enhanced to a real War level ship.
Just as a reminder, you can have 4 white stars for a Shadow Omega.
Given their current statistic, I cannot figure how a dozen of them have been able to almost defeat the White Star Fleet.
For me, in a battle the Shadow Omega is dead before turn 4 without any white star casuality.
Ministalker
Mongoose
Skavendan said:
I know what you are talking about.... :evil:
How about this for a Shadow Omega?
Priority Level: War
Speed: 8
Turns: 1/45
Hull: 6
Damage: 48/10
Crew: 62/14
Troops: 3
Craft: 4 Thunderbolt Flights (may upgrade to Shadowfury flights for 1 Patrol FAP)
In Service Date: 2261+
Traits: Advanced Jump Engine, Anti-Fighter 8, Flight Computer, Interceptors 6, Lumbering, Self-Repair 1d6, Shields 20/2d6
Weapons:
Molecular Slicer: 24" B 6AD Beam, Triple Damage
Heavy Phasing Pulse Cannon: 12" F 6AD AP, Double Damage, Twin-Linked
Heavy Phasing Pulse Cannon: 12" A 4AD AP, Double Damage, Twin-Linked
Light Multi-Phased Cutter: 10" P 12AD, Mini-Beam, Twin-Linked
Light Multi-Phased Cutter: 10" S 12AD, Mini-Beam, Twin-Linked
Priority Level: War
Speed: 8
Turns: 1/45
Hull: 6
Damage: 48/10
Crew: 62/14
Troops: 3
Craft: 4 Thunderbolt Flights (may upgrade to Shadowfury flights for 1 Patrol FAP)
In Service Date: 2261+
Traits: Advanced Jump Engine, Anti-Fighter 8, Flight Computer, Interceptors 6, Lumbering, Self-Repair 1d6, Shields 20/2d6
Weapons:
Molecular Slicer: 24" B 6AD Beam, Triple Damage
Heavy Phasing Pulse Cannon: 12" F 6AD AP, Double Damage, Twin-Linked
Heavy Phasing Pulse Cannon: 12" A 4AD AP, Double Damage, Twin-Linked
Light Multi-Phased Cutter: 10" P 12AD, Mini-Beam, Twin-Linked
Light Multi-Phased Cutter: 10" S 12AD, Mini-Beam, Twin-Linked
Ministalker
Mongoose
Triggy said:
I don't like the idea. The shields are too strong (equivalent to the Armageddon Nemesis) and you have cut down too much the Damage and Crew scores IMHO
I'd prefer to keep the original Damage:75/12 and Crew: 84/18 and go for a humblier version of the shields (I suggested half the Nemesis so 10/1D6)
Triggy said:
Everything about weaponry sounds good to me
Good proposal anyway
Thanks Triggy
l33tpenguin
Mongoose
Ministalker said:
You mean like the list the ISA can choose from?
Ministalker said:
Actually if you read my post, I was not proposing that the amount of allies change for a standard one shot scenario but that they be allowed 4 BATTLE FA points in a CAMPAIGN rather than only two. I agree that for standard games 2 points of allies is sufficient but in a campaign they are rather limited by lack of variety so extra EA allies or some Shadows might may them more interesting and hence fun to play.
Ministalker
Mongoose
Everyman said:
Oups, Guess I read it too fast
nekomata fuyu
Mongoose
Another alternative that I'd consider for campaigns is to give Psi Corps an other duty result that increases their standard EA allowance. Call it "Increased Influence" or something. Ideally, I would put this as the 12 result, as for most other races this is the result which gives them free ships, and this seems similar enough in nature.
Ministalker
Mongoose
Mr. Blobby said:
I support this idea: no big change, campaign only and it can give the Psi Corps a chance to increase it's allocation point.
Shields rather than self repair:
Self repair could be limited to the armour and outer hull but if you use the self repair trait you get a +1 to critical repair as well (which, of course, stacks with Best of the Best). As noted, repairing armour makes sense. Repairing weapons (depending on the level of shadow bitek components) is believable. Repairing engines doesn't.
On the other hand, the White Star is only a hybrid ship too, but on the other other hand, it was built that way from the ground up.
Shields, as noted, represent dispersive armour rather better in the same way that a Victory-class has Adaptive armour but doesn't self-repair.
My only concern is then that raises the expectation of 'why the hell doesn't the hunter have shields' - but the hunter's already a pretty good ship.
I'm not convinced by Shadowfuries on board. Hard to say exactly why, if you're allowing the existance of them after the civil war (EFNI brightwarrior project springs to mind) but no.
Secondary weapons:
We see the light slicer beams firing in much the same aspect as a regular omega's light lasers - in fact it's a pretty obvious weapon swap as the two do much the same job.
More to the point having the light cutters and phasing pulse cannon one way round on the omega variant and t'other way around on the warlock variant seems a bit odd.
Main gun:
Upping to triple damage gives it the same punch as a warlock's GOD particle cannon. There's no issue with power, but range is a perenial concern, as is the amount of backup power the railguns and missiles give the warlock. There's no need for the stupidly long range of a Nemesis, but either give it a slight boost or give it a rear boresight (there's ship a mounting for one in the basic omega design that you've used, why not fit one?) since that helps it to stand out from the warlock, which only has railguns as a primary weapon covering its back end.
Self repair could be limited to the armour and outer hull but if you use the self repair trait you get a +1 to critical repair as well (which, of course, stacks with Best of the Best). As noted, repairing armour makes sense. Repairing weapons (depending on the level of shadow bitek components) is believable. Repairing engines doesn't.
On the other hand, the White Star is only a hybrid ship too, but on the other other hand, it was built that way from the ground up.
Shields, as noted, represent dispersive armour rather better in the same way that a Victory-class has Adaptive armour but doesn't self-repair.
My only concern is then that raises the expectation of 'why the hell doesn't the hunter have shields' - but the hunter's already a pretty good ship.
I'm not convinced by Shadowfuries on board. Hard to say exactly why, if you're allowing the existance of them after the civil war (EFNI brightwarrior project springs to mind) but no.
Secondary weapons:
We see the light slicer beams firing in much the same aspect as a regular omega's light lasers - in fact it's a pretty obvious weapon swap as the two do much the same job.
More to the point having the light cutters and phasing pulse cannon one way round on the omega variant and t'other way around on the warlock variant seems a bit odd.
Main gun:
Upping to triple damage gives it the same punch as a warlock's GOD particle cannon. There's no issue with power, but range is a perenial concern, as is the amount of backup power the railguns and missiles give the warlock. There's no need for the stupidly long range of a Nemesis, but either give it a slight boost or give it a rear boresight (there's ship a mounting for one in the basic omega design that you've used, why not fit one?) since that helps it to stand out from the warlock, which only has railguns as a primary weapon covering its back end.
Why? Given that the playtest pack has been issued out, things are clearly still in a state of flux.
The nemesis is now a much more capable ship - with shields 20/2d6 for its dispersive armour, and almost as importantly the Track That Target! special order (which Best of the Best complements nicely).
The nemesis is now a much more capable ship - with shields 20/2d6 for its dispersive armour, and almost as importantly the Track That Target! special order (which Best of the Best complements nicely).
locarno24 said:
The Track that target was needed for the Narn far more than the Corp due to the number of lumbering ships they have.
There was a huge file sent out with list of changes and additions and not a hint or sniff of the Shadow Omega.
And I never had a problem with the nemisis as it was. So frankly I got a free bonus but my Shadow Omega's remain paper weights.
Ok you can debating the update of it. But people have been posting suggestions for it since I joinned this board and it didn't even get a mention in the update so my conclusion would be no update for shadow omega.
