Officialness of S&P

[Burger]

Am I right in thinking that all S&P stats and aritcles relating to VAS are "official", and may be used in tournaments, games, etc? Eg. the Z-plan and Russian fleets?

 

[Bob Hume]

Good question. I've been watching games at my flgs and have noticed that every Japanese player has one (or more) Yamato's in their fleet. Every US player has one (or more) Iowa's. I play Germans, so I bought (one) Z Plan battleship so I'd have something comparable to fight those power gamers with. The store is planning tournaments so I'd like an official clarification as well.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

The store is planning tournaments so I'd like an official clarification as well.

You know, I'm willing to bet the official answer will be "The tournament organiser can declare them official if he wants"...

Wulf

 

[Burger]

The store is planning tournaments so I'd like an official clarification as well.

You know, I'm willing to bet the official answer will be "The tournament organiser can declare them official if he wants"...

Yeah obviously... but a ruling whether they are allowed in Mongoose tourneys would be good enough for me.

 

[Reaverman]

IMHO, these are fleets you are commanding by yourself. As if you were in charge of the fleet production, and resource management. When someone has a Kriegsmarine fleet, its them that are managing it, not Karl Dönitz or Adolf Hitler. So if you want more than one type of ship, say like the Hood. Well you should be allowed, unless its stipulated as a "Historical" tourney. But I dont think thats going to happen, since you will have problems when a Kriegsmarine fleet, faces off an IJN fleet

 

[Burger]

Err whats that got to do with the price of fish? I just want to know whether the ships whose stats are given in S&P, are "official" or not. Since VAS was born from S&P, I suspect they are.

 

[Reaverman]

Err whats that got to do with the price of fish? I just want to know whether the ships whose stats are given in S&P, are "official" or not. Since VAS was born from S&P, I suspect they are.

Cos I am answering Bobs post you donut

 

[Burger]

1) Quote it or put "@ Bob" then, so we know to skip back 3 posts...
2) What does your reply have anything to do with Bob's? He is asking for clarification on the same issue as I am.

 

[Reaverman]

1. Cant Quote, shite PC at work...things aint working properly on this pc!

2. Bob said " noticed that every Japanese player has one (or more) Yamato's in their fleet"

 

[Burger]

1. Cant Quote, shite PC at work...things aint working properly on this pc!

You quoted me just fine, in your last reply!

2. Bob said " noticed that every Japanese player has one (or more) Yamato's in their fleet"

Bob isn't questioning the legality of that. He is questioning the legality of the ships in the Z-plan fleet, which he feels can compete better with these Japanese and US ships.

 

[Bob Hume]

As Burger said;

"Yeah obviously... but a ruling whether they are allowed in Mongoose tourneys would be good enough for me."

 

[Reaverman]

Option 1; Hit the Quote button, wait ages before the Fujistsu firewall goes Blaaaaah, and then rety again

Option 2; Just hit reply!

If you think you can fix it,you are more than welcome to come down and offer your services

 

[Burger]

If you think you can fix it,you are more than welcome to come down and offer your services

Sure, £100 per hour

 

[Reaverman]

If you think you can fix it,you are more than welcome to come down and offer your services

Sure, £100 per hour

Great, we have loads of useless contractors here on that....you'll feel well at home

 

[Burger]

Anyway. Back on topic. Are the S&P ships "official", or at least, allowed in Mongoose tournaments?

 

[Bob Hume]

Ooops, lots of answers since my last post. Don't get me wrong guys. I picked the German fleet because I liked the looks of the ships. I knew I'd be at a disadvantage vs Japanese or US players and I accept that. It was a pleasant surprise to see the Z Plan battleship that is slightly better than an Iowa and not quite as good as a Yamato. I don't plan on using it unless my opponent puts more than one Yamato or Iowa on the table. But, if they do, I'm just looking for reasonable arguments to include my one ship. If my opponent still objects to it, I'll play them with ships out of the rule book or I just won't play them.

 

[Bullshot]

IMO and as far as our gaming group goes, we have never ran into problems using S&P artilces. In our last ACTA campaign, I used the alternate raiders list from S&P. I view any publication from the game manufacturer as 'official' unless they state otherwise. Just my 2 cents.

BS

 

[Soulmage]

I've been watching games at my flgs and have noticed that every Japanese player has one (or more) Yamato's in their fleet. Every US player has one (or more) Iowa's.

Yamato is a good ship. As is the Iowa. They are fun to play with. Unless you are doing a historical scenario, why on earth wouldn't you play with one?

If you want to play a Z plan battleship, go for it! As long as its something that comes from Mongoose, its all good.

I don't think that somebody who regularly plays with a Yamato or Iowa should be looked down upon as a "power gamer." If they've got more than one of either (outside of a war-level engagement), they should be looked down upon as a poor strategist given the vulnerability of even the most powerful single ship, but that is about it.

 

[MongooseMatt]

As Burger said;

"Yeah obviously... but a ruling whether they are allowed in Mongoose tourneys would be good enough for me."

It will all be done on a case by case basis - there may be things in the main rulebook that are not permitted in tournaments. . .

However, if you want my blessing to use the ships from S&P - you have it!

 

[DM]

And they are designed using the VAS design system (AFAIK) so they are pretty consistent with the ships in the main rules.