Modern/sci-fi firearms and armour.

[Rurik]

Or be bad against all three. I don't recall seeing any old Stromtroppers. :shock:

Well, it sure doesn't seem to help much in the movies. One would assume it is supposed to do something. The characters just have a lot of Hero Points.

Also, how does Luke get away with being noticably shorter than other Stormtroopers in Star Wars (a.k.a. a New Hope) if they are all clones?

 

[Sigtrygg]

Have you ever seen those demo's where they shoot a clay torso wearing a kevlar shirt? The cloth stops the bullets from going through but the chest is all messed up. Broken bones and other trauma damage definately a possibility.

I guess the moral of the story is just not to get shot.

Yep, or something similar.

I've also seen a demo of a bastard sword used against a pig carcass, and another with the carcass in mail and padding.
The former cut deep into the pig's side, smashed ribs and pulped the lungs and liver.
The latter broke ribs and puncture the lungs.

You don't want to be hit with a sword either :twisted:

 

[mthomason]

Also, how does Luke get away with being noticably shorter than other Stormtroopers in Star Wars (a.k.a. a New Hope) if they are all clones?

Can we be 100% certain they are still clones at that time, or was the clone army just to "jump start" the Stormtroopers? Maybe the Emperor recruited later (once he was in power) to expand his forces.

Or maybe Stormtroopers just can't see all that well inside those helmets.

 

[Rurik]

Have you ever seen those demo's where they shoot a clay torso wearing a kevlar shirt? The cloth stops the bullets from going through but the chest is all messed up. Broken bones and other trauma damage definately a possibility.

I guess the moral of the story is just not to get shot.

Yep, or something similar.

I've also seen a demo of a bastard sword used against a pig carcass, and another with the carcass in mail and padding.
The former cut deep into the pig's side, smashed ribs and pulped the lungs and liver.
The latter broke ribs and puncture the lungs.

You don't want to be hit with a sword either :twisted:

That is why I stay inside at a computer all day. :lol:

 

[Sigtrygg]

Also, how does Luke get away with being noticably shorter than other Stormtroopers in Star Wars (a.k.a. a New Hope) if they are all clones?

There's probably a long extended universe explanation...

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and while I wasn't looking:

Also, how does Luke get away with being noticably shorter than other Stormtroopers in Star Wars (a.k.a. a New Hope) if they are all clones?

Can we be 100% certain they are still clones at that time, or was the clone army just to "jump start" the Stormtroopers? Maybe the Emperor recruited later (once he was in power) to expand his forces.

Or maybe Stormtroopers just can't see all that well inside those helmets.

 

[atgxtg]

Paper cuts are out too.

 

[Sigtrygg]

Or maybe Stormtroopers just can't see all that well inside those helmets.

That would explain their shooting accuracy...

 

[Sigtrygg]

Actually the half/double rule works. If we need to fiddle we could always do a special case armor-like mirrored bodysuit. Full vs. lasers no protection from anything else.

Keeping things simple is a definite plus in my book.

 

[atgxtg]

Or maybe Stormtroopers just can't see all that well inside those helmets.

That would explain their shooting accuracy...

"Look at those blast points. Only Imperial Stromtroopers are so precise."

"Wha-? Ben, they hit the broad side of a vehicle thats bigger than a house. That's not very precise!"

"Exactly."

 

[Rurik]

Or maybe Stormtroopers just can't see all that well inside those helmets.

That would explain their shooting accuracy...

"Look at those blast points. Only Imperial Stromtroopers are so precise."

"Wha-? Ben, they hit the broad side of a vehicle thats bigger than a house. That's not very precise!"

"Exactly."

That was back when they were supposed to be bad asses. By Jedi Lucas had decided they should get their butts kicked by teddy bears with pointy sticks.

 

[mthomason]

I've got to go with the new recruit explanation - there's no freaking way an army of Jango Fetts could be that pathetic.

 

[atgxtg]

That was back when they were supposed to be bad asses. By Jedi Lucas had decided they should get their butts kicked by teddy bears with pointy sticks.

Yeah, right. Bad asses. So how come the only character they were able to was Leia.



Twice.


She never raised her dodge?

 

[Rurik]

I've got to go with the new recruit explanation - there's no freaking way an army of Jango Fetts could be that pathetic.

Boba was pretty disapointing in the movies.

I remember the Kenner Star Wars Figures had a huge promotion, buy all these figures, collect UPC's, send them in and get a special preview character from the forthcoming sequel (Empire). So we all did as told, collected figures, sent in UPC's and waited.

And then we got Bobba Fett - and he was cool. We all built him up into some big deal. Then the movie came out. He doesn't really do anything in Empire (yeah, yeah, he tracks them to Bespin). Then at the beginning of Jedi he dies. Thats it. I was disapointed in him, as were all my friends.

They Kinda did the same thing with Darth Maul. Looks cool, has a few scenes, then fights and dies. Thats it.

 

[mthomason]

And then we got Bobba Fett - and he was cool. We all built him up into some big deal. Then the movie came out. He doesn't really do anything in Empire (yeah, yeah, he tracks them to Bespin). Then at the beginning of Jedi he dies. Thats it. I was disapointed in him, as were all my friends.

LOL, I remember the huge thing about the action figure. "Damn, isn't he cool? He's got armour, a gun, and a weird hooky thing that shoots out of his backpack! I bet they have some huge fight scenes set up for him!"

And then he just went and got himself eaten (expanded universe aside, in the movie he's "dead")...

 

[atgxtg]

And then we got Bobba Fett - and he was cool. We all built him up into some big deal. Then the movie came out. He doesn't really do anything in Empire (yeah, yeah, he tracks them to Bespin). Then at the beginning of Jedi he dies. Thats it. I was disapointed in him, as were all my friends.

LOL, I remember the huge thing about the action figure. "Damn, isn't he cool? He's got armour, a gun, and a weird hooky thing that shoots out of his backpack! I bet they have some huge fight scenes set up for him!"

And then he just went and got himself eaten (expanded universe aside, in the movie he's "dead")...

It should have been a dead giveaway when after a wek or so the head opped off the toy.


Now if only the Jango Fett figure did that.


Lucas has a habit of killing ofearly those characters who thwart the heroes at the end of the last movie. He probavbly doesn't want to give the a chance to do it again!

 

[GbajiTheDeceiver]

Hold on. Back up.

This the same Boba Fett we're talking about?

The guy who tracks the rebels when entire imperial legions fail?

"No disintegration!" (sarcastic tone) "as you wish"

The guy who's only interested in his bounty and would sell you and all your friends to the empire just to get it?

This guy is the meanest, coolest, most badass dude in the galaxy. When he's on your tail, you're f-cked.

 

[atgxtg]

Han Solo could take 'em with his eyes closed! :wink:

"Boba Fett? I' CAN'T SEE!"

 

[Utgardloki]

I'm wondering about dodging gunfire. It seems like it would be different than dodging melee attacks.

I'm wondering if there should be a penalty for dodging gunfire or other missile weapons.

 

[atgxtg]

I'm wondering about dodging gunfire. It seems like it would be different than dodging melee attacks.

I'm wondering if there should be a penalty for dodging gunfire or other missile weapons.

Well, you really can't dodge gunfire. Most BRP variants do not allow people to dodge bullets. Coc for example. It might be a good idea to increase the hero pint awards to give the PCs an edge.

IMO either no dodging bullets or dodge as normal. It's a lot simplier, and a dodge at a penatly is just as unrealistic as a full skill dodge, just more cumbersome.

 

[Utgardloki]

What I am thinking is perhaps something like what happened in a Charlie's Angels episode, except that due to clumsiness in editing, the events were drawn out over seconds instead of in the fraction of a second that I would imagine them happening.

First the guy aims his gun at Sabrina Duncan. Then Sabrina, realizing a guy is about to shoot her, ducks under cover. Then the guy, not realizing that Sabrina is just about to duck, starts to pull the trigger without taking into account that in a fraction of a second her head will no longer be at the point he is aiming at. Sabrina ducks, and then the bullet hits the pillar behind her.

The way it ended up on the DVD, the guy pulls the trigger, and then Sabrina ducks, and the the bullet hits the pillar behind her. But in actuality, a moving target is harder to hit than a standing target, and it may be possible to fake a gunman out so that he aims at the wrong spot. My thought would be that there would be a severe penalty, perhaps minus 80%. Also, the person would have to declare and commit a dodge attempt before knowing whether the attacker was going to hit or miss miserably.

My thought for Moonquest was to use POW instead of DEX to dodge bullets and energy weapons, on the theory that POW was related to luck and the ability to go with a flow. But in MRQ, I'm not sure I want to add a complexity of having a Dodge Melee and Dodge Ranged skill.

In the Top Secret rules, there was also a penalty for trying to hit a running target. That seems fair. A target could also run and dodge, but at a reduced speed because he'd be zigging and zagging and stopping to make the gunman guess where he was going to be the next second.

The advantage of making dodge possible at a -80% penalty is that it allows heroic characters to express their heroicness, while less heroic characters just have to live with getting shot.

My plan is to start PCs out with more hero points, and offer hero points for role playing, so the players should have more hero points to play with than typical RQ characters. I also plan to introduce a Luck pseudo-characteristic that can be drawn upon in a way similar to the RQ process of divine intervention.