MEA Squad box

[Mr Evil]

ok im a little confused here (again)

looking at stuff to buy of the main page of the site, the MEA squad consistes of 8 figs !!! and from the pic just 100 points worth !!!

so your initial 1k force is gonna cost you £200 or $290 ish (if i buy from america thats only £150)

is this right their only being 8 men in a box for an army that uses more infantry than the USMC 9 in a box the pla 10 and brits 8.

or is it just a mistake in the pic to scare potential customers of ?

if it was a full squad of 12 with all 3 RPG's then you hit 170points and a 1k infantry force would cost £120 (drop 2 ak men) for a total of 70 men with 18 rpgs.

so are the box sets as pictured or are they a full squad compliment and represent a fair value ?

 

[Mr Evil]

in short all im asking is

How many are in the MEA box set ?

 

[MongooseMatt]

The pictures are correct - remember, this is just the fix release for the MEA, and other units (Technicals, Fedayeen, Tunguska. . .) will soon raise your points up!

 

[Mr Evil]

thats a real shame though matt, as its hard to make a full squad with 8 man box sets, and makes the mea army the most un economocal, and a huge put of for me, 8 in a bix means i wont be buying any but 12 in a box would guarantee id buy 6 boxes min, the PLA get 10 the USMC get 9 the brits get 8 and the MEA get 8 as well ? that just doesnt seem right, as they are the swarm force, and boxes of 12 would have made alot more sence from value, looks and matching box set to card, evan 10 would have been good, with 2 extra anti tank.

i cant work out why 8 was chosen as opposed to 10 or 12 especialy as their a launch unit, with no other support.

if they had the tungsta from day one or the technicals then maybe 10 in a box would have worked out well, but people will wish to buy 1k forces from day one, and i can see the mea missing out, also if box sets were 12 then they would be a good tacticle option. will their be mini boxes of the missing 6 figs at say £5 to make up for it for the mea in the enar future ? id love to feild a proper mea force, for wich i see as min 1k of just infantry, but at 8 in a box im not going to biother.

im not complaining about the price, im just bermused why a low quality infantry unit that is going to be bought by the bag full has only 8 in a box, wich will eman people will buy 2 boxes and give up on them due to small unit size, and game ability.


just my thoughts.

 

[MongooseMatt]

i cant work out why 8 was chosen as opposed to 10 or 12 especialy as their a launch unit, with no other support.

Infantry are very expensive to produce, far more than the £5 differential between them and tanks would suggest. We simply couldn't do 10 or 12 guys in the box without losing money.

 

[Mr Evil]

big shame though as its put me totaly of the MEA for the moment, i was so stoked about the idea of an MEA force, but the low contents of the box has just put me of i just cant justify the extra £80 for such an army.

maybe the american prices should go up so you wouldnt make such a loss, as they are effectivly getting 25% of the prices we pay in europe.

see it becomes a pyramid, if the MEA troops are not worth shelling out for an army of, then the hilux dont get bought either, and nor doese the tungsta, could end up being a dead range compared to the others, its the range i whant the most, but going by the army card, their is zero value in getting the box set when its 2-4 men short, it would mathmaticly work out for squads if their were 2-4 RPG's in the box as they could be split over units but to give a unit a full compliment of RPG's it will take 3 boxes, for every unit, with lots of left over no use riflemen, who could form units but to get them their would need another 3 boxed for the RPG's and so the problem continues, it effectivly becomes a who has the biggest wallet and smallest brain to run a full MEA force.

if the price went up by £5 for the mea box set to cover the extra 4 men that would be fine, as atlast i would not end up buying redundant figures.

i wouldnt paint a figure i never intend to use, ans i shouldnt have to buy half a box of figs i never intent to use, but i bought because i whanted the 2 extra RGs, £60 for a full unit with 12 figures in the redundant pile per unit feilded at full compliment isnt realy cost effective for us gamers.

if their was 2 RPG's in a box then we would need 2 boxes for a complete unit with a 3rd box to make 2 complete units, much more sensible as for every 2 units their would be zero waisted figs !!! and that would have been alot better

so why not have 2 rpgs per box so every 3 boxes gives 2 complete units with all bells and wissles ?

 

[tneva82]

but to give a unit a full compliment of RPG's it will take 3 boxes, for every unit, with lots of left over no use riflemen,

Maybe there comes later smaller box with extra RPG's to give the full 12 option if you wish?

 

[Mr Evil]

all im saying, rather long windedly.

is all you need to do MGP is have 2 RPG's in the box and drop a rifleman, and 3 boxes would give you 2 full units with all options and affordable, and still only have to have 8 men in a box, maybe an idea for wave 2.

 

[Hiromoon]

I guess Mr. Evil wants to see the American Market's reaction to that then?

I actually turned away from spending $32.00 for the six figures in a box from Rakham...

 

[Mr Evil]

I guess Mr. Evil wants to see the American Market's reaction to that then?

I actually turned away from spending $32.00 for the six figures in a box from Rakham...

but we are exspected to pay £20 for a boxset, and the yanks pay £15 doesnt realy seem fair doese it !!! if the yanks took their share of the costs then MGP would make more profits and be able to do more stuff, but as always the rest of the world subsadises america due to its failing economy. (sorry mini rant over lol)

any way problem is resolved, drop a rifleman replace him with a RPG nd the boxes make sense.

 

[Hiromoon]

For you it's fifteen pounds, for us that's thirty some odd dollars easilly. If we paid forty dollars to match your twenty pounds, Mr Evil... well, let's just say that I don't think the game would take off any faster.

Suffice it to say, if we paid the same equivalent price as you, going with a 2 dollar exchange rate for every British pound, just getting 16 total figures would cost the average gamer here $80. So four squads of figures would be $160.....

 

[Paladin]

You have hit the cheif reason I opted not to go with the MEA in the initial relase. You can't build the forces I'd prefer without overbuying, which you already have to do just to field the low point value MEA anyway. When supplemental or individual mini options become available I may change to the MEA later, but I went with the EFTF out of the gate.

 

[127th Angry Angels]

Mr Evil, you've already mentioned that you may purchase from the U.S anyway. There is little point to moaning about the UK price as it's not going to change it. Also most products have differences in price due to exchange rates and export/import charges etc. This is just the way life is. If you want to pay less and wait longer then order from the U.S (or Asia in the case of 360 games).

Plus all the armys will have short comings for the first 6 months or so, thats the nature of a new game with a monthly release schedule.

Please don't let this thread fall into another Evil Vs Hiro rant, you have got a sensible answer from the top of the company (a rare thing indeed)

 

[Mr Evil]

and i gave a simple solution.

replace a rifle man with a RPG and then every 3 boxes gives you 2 units, rather than every nine boxes giving you 3 units.

bit of a no brainer realy.

 

[Mr Evil]

Please don't let this thread fall into another Evil Vs Hiro rant, you have got a sensible answer from the top of the company (a rare thing indeed)

were not though hes effectivly agreeing with me, the figs are not worth what the brits have to pay, but the us market get them as a fair price.

if roles were reversed and the brits paid $30 a pack and the yanks paid $40 a pack i think youd be arguing the same. we shoud both pay the same prices give or take 10% not 25%

im not saying this to save me any money im saying it cuz the LGS in the uk is a dying breed their all turning to cards and RPG the only interest ive had for this game has been from toyshops and modle shops. if the LGS goese so doese the gaming comunity in some areas.

but this is not the point.

the point is how many boxes to complete a unit, some one didnt do the maths on it befor production.

 

[Rob_A]

All put aside, Evil would win any day!

I really think 1 RPG per box would be good, but its a little late now!

 

[Mr Evil]

All put aside, Evil would win any day!

I really think 1 RPG per box would be good, but its a little late now!

not 1 but 2 per box

and i gave a simple solution.

replace a rifle man with a RPG and then every 3 boxes gives you 2 units, rather than every nine boxes giving you 3 units.

bit of a no brainer realy.

 

[Rob_A]

Yeah I didnt read it thoroughly enough.

But how I see it, sooner people notice this, sooner they will go elsewhere unfortunately.
Its bad enough that MEA only get one release this month .

To quote myself 'Aww man!'

 

[127th Angry Angels]

It's going to be a bit limiting for the MEA for a little while but once you get to the 6 month mark they'll be a distinct and interesting army. I think with any new game the second generation of people to take it up will be spoilt for choice and the tactical depth that comes with it.

 

[MongooseMatt]

If you are coming to our open day, you will have the opportunity to pick up singles. . .