Fair enough.
I'd much rather violently agree than violently disagree. I'll join you at the bar for a celebratory pint
Mating Airlocks to Cargo Hatches
- Thread starter Terry Mixon
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I'd much rather violently agree than violently disagree. I'll join you at the bar for a celebratory pint
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Emperor Mongoose
Cutter? It is labelled Pinnace. So the wrong small craft with the wrong tonnage. Based on rules for things like docking clamps wouldn't an external mounting (even partial as in the image) render the ship unstreamlined?
From High Guard 2016 Mercenary Cruiser description:
Seems that the image you provided has the Cruiser carry the ATV not the "pinnace" and it clearly states the modular cutters are carried INSIDE the ship.
Yeah, but it's a sphere so only partially streamlined anyway. You are paying the same price and tonnage to have it fully enclosed so you might as well keep the benefit. It is a bit of a unicorn frankly. They seemed to be more consistent in the MGT2 drawing of the ship as that has the cutters fully enclosed in the spherical hull and in the design and rules that fall out of that, but then chickened out in the deck plan for retro-bility
No logic applies to the variations along the way since CT.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Something halfway sticking out is alright, as long as there is a vacuum proof seal.
The advantage might be faster exits.
Though, I wouldn't know how to calculate the docking space required.
Arguably, easier docking, than having to deal with hangar doors.
The advantage might be faster exits.
Though, I wouldn't know how to calculate the docking space required.
Arguably, easier docking, than having to deal with hangar doors.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Emperor Mongoose
Partially streamlined is better than unstreamlined when landing in atmosphere.
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Emperor Mongoose
Or the change in thrust and jump if it doesn't have one or both of them having either lost them in combat or left them behind for other reasons. What tonnage extends outside increasing the ship tonnage?
In the current rules, but the earlier CT versions did not have partial streamlining. The 1977 CT Cruiser was unstreamlined (and had two pinnaces). The 1982 Cruiser was unstreamlined and instead had two cutters and two extra modules. It wasn't until 1980 CT HG that had the spherical Hull as partially streamlined (so not even consistent with the later Starships book - though to be fair it does not specify the Merc Cruiser is spherical as far as I can see).
The 1983 starter version published by Games Worshop shows the Merc Cruiser as spherical and states it is unstreamlined (and it has the cutters).
None of these mention the small craft being external (and the images do not hint at that either).
The image shown is from A07 (1982) and this talks about a specific class of mercenary cruiser (which has the 2 cutters). It also has the weird cutter well that is entirely unique and does not represent the standard docking space in any regard. It purports to be based on the Type C of book 2 - which is not stated as spherical so maybe it is just using the same components and tonnage but just changing the configuration (dramatically) and adding in a huge dollop of made-uppo. It is listed in A07 as unstreamlined. It doesn't mention the cutters being "external" but implies a degree of externality as it only talks about shutters to protect the front end of the cutters.
Of course since it is designed to interact with planets via those cutters, it is hardly necessary for the cruiser itself to land (though it stated to be able to fuel skim and land on vacuum worlds).
Make of all this what you will. Traveller is egalitarian, whatever view point you wish to harbour Traveller will provide a set of contradictory rules to prove you both right and wrong (often in the same version).
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
As illustrated, if the cutters are half sticking out, it would be considered external cargo.
Though, again, wouldn't know how to calculate that.
But, whatever it is, that's added on to total tonnage when calculating the Broadsword's engineering performance.
Though, again, wouldn't know how to calculate that.
But, whatever it is, that's added on to total tonnage when calculating the Broadsword's engineering performance.
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
What is that? Deckplans and/or artists renderings are not accurate in Traveller??? Say it ain't so!!!! lol
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
One advantage would be, that as long as the diameter is the same or smaller, you can stick in a longer cutter.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
That’s what she said?
MasterGwydion
Emperor Mongoose
No. That is not what the rules say.
"DOCKING SPACE This is an internal bay in which a smaller auxiliary ship or vehicle can dock. When sealed, the docking space completely covers the auxiliary ship. It takes 1D minutes for the auxiliary ship to enter or leave the larger ship. Docking space consumes an amount of tonnage equal to that of the largest ship to be docked, plus 10% (round up to the nearest ton). Use shipping size for vehicles, as detailed in the Traveller Core Rulebook and the Vehicle Handbook."
Bolding is mine.
