Hey you Narn players

[vitalis6969]

With 2nd E on the way, any of you still (if you ever were) ignoring the boresight rules?

My group has just decided to refuse to use them on the grounds of "dumb-ass rule" until someone wises up and gets rid of them officially.

-V

 

[Burger]

I wish I could ignore Boresight on my Drazi... then I'd win every game

If all Ka'T** had F arc instead of B they'd be horribly overpowered.

 

[Morgoth]

I have always had to stick to the rules with Boresights, just part of the game balance, only really ship that Boresight was stupid on was the G'Quan and its variants!! Other ships were available without boresights which you used to enable your others to get into line such as Rothan's, Thentus ( which had a F mounted burst beam), Rongoth's and Sho'Kar's.
So nevr minded the boresight, annoying but ya need balance.

 

[Target]

If i was going to do something about boresights i'd probably give 1/2 AD if you choose to fire them in fwd arc so not to overpower ships like the Ka Tan.
G'Quan probably should of always been 4AD instead of 3 Ad in my mind.

 

[darknight]

you mean not lining up or not using, we always use boresite as its the rules and a weopon system? :?

 

[katadder]

With 2nd E on the way, any of you still (if you ever were) ignoring the boresight rules?

My group has just decided to refuse to use them on the grounds of "dumb-ass rule" until someone wises up and gets rid of them officially.

-V

lol you halving your AD too? most boresight weapons come with more AD as a rule (unless something else to back it up) so think you need to wise up as the ships are balanced with their boresight beam.
theres nothing wrong with boresight, hell I have used a pure hyperion fleet and won just to prove it.

 

[Banichi]

I've always thought that the boresight/foreward arc rule was a good machanic to represent edges in technology that various races have over other races that are not as advanced. After all one of the best things aboutB5 to me was that it wasn't an even universe, you had quite a few levels of tech. I hope that the boresight rules stay in 2e. If stuff like boresight is despenced with the fleets will be less individually distinct. (It's just about midnight down here, and I'm going to bed. So if anyone wants to flame me I won't be seeing it for another 20 hours or so :lol: goodnight)

 

[Da Boss]

If i was going to do something about boresights i'd probably give 1/2 AD if you choose to fire them in fwd arc so not to overpower ships like the Ka Tan.
G'Quan probably should of always been 4AD instead of 3 Ad in my mind.

I thought that was a cool mechanism........simple and easy

 

[katadder]

problem with that however is the other non boresight races would then want double AD if they do boresight. too much flexibility on the lower tech races like EA and Narn.

 

[Drahazar]

not useing boresight are you guys crazy. as was stated earlier every race has its up and downs. people who complain about vorlons and shadows and how power ful they are and its unbalanced. or boresight is broken. get over it my friend and i have only palyed a few games sence we just started and he will boresight the crap out of you with out a single thought till my sharlin takes care of it. then it gets blown up by the evil victory. Vorlons and shadows are supposed to be uber powerful and can destroy ships like its nothing. B5 is uniquie in that fact its not to hard to play and requires you to think when you play instead of play vorlon and then EA and both being about the same how boaring you need challange in your games not vanilla fleets.

 

[Da Boss]

problem with that however is the other non boresight races would then want double AD if they do boresight. too much flexibility on the lower tech races like EA and Narn.

I Want doesn't Get :lol: but then I want more Vorlon and Shadow Ships - both in terms of stats and models

Hmm see what you mean but it does seem to make sense in terms of the images and gameplay?

 

[Admiral Phlop]

Why would you want to take out part of the rules that make this game unique. Every race has their own quirks and it is up to the player to find out what works and what doesn't for each. Why don't you all just use one race that doesn't have boresight.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

I've yet to hear a convincing argument for the boresight mechanic, either as a balance issue - which are subjective at best - or supported by canonical evidence.

 

[katadder]

well canonical, why else would all the narn and drazi ships have to point straight down at centauri prime to hit it with beams, thats a bit of a weak position to be in considering you know the centauri fleet will be back soon, if you dont have boresight then you can sit in a much more tactically sound position and fire your beams downwards.

 

[Da Boss]

Why would you want to take out part of the rules that make this game unique. Every race has their own quirks and it is up to the player to find out what works and what doesn't for each. Why don't you all just use one race that doesn't have boresight.

I do actually - I am a Centauri Player

 

[Lord David the Denied]

"Up" and "down" don't mean much in space. When firing at a target on a planet's surface you'd want to be in a polar orbit that would carry you over it so you could fire "down" at whatever it is. Trying to fire on a planetary target from a geosynchronous orbit wouldn't work well unless it was on the equator...

Like I said, no convincing argument has yet been put forward.

 

[lastbesthope]

Actually the arc of LOS (and therefore fire) is quite large from GEO, depending on the body being orbited. Satellite TV in Europe is supplied by satellites in GEO.

The only drawback to GEO is that you're field of fire is constant, you'd need to actually change orbit to hit something on the other side of the planet.

LBH

 

[katadder]

put pointed straight towards the planet limits manouvrability. everyone of their weapons was fired boresight in that bombardment. seems a good argument for me - huge narn fleet firing boresight versus 1 occasion of a g'quan firing front arc. and the g'quan can gain it in campaign to represent such ships

 

[lastbesthope]

Yes, buy you can see a vast area of the planet from GEO, you need onnly point straight at your target.

LBH
Bonafide rocket scientist

 

[Greg Smith]

There are a number of ships' weapons in the show that we see only fire directly forward:

The Victory's neutron lasers
The Victory's lightning cannon
Vorlon weaponry
The White Star's neutron laser
The White Star's pulsars fire directly forward, however the ship manuevers fast enough that the bolts travel on varying vectors.
The Warlocks in Lost Tales.
Drazi ships only fire directly forward.
The one time we see the Avioki fire, it is directly forward (A Call to Arms)

We see the G'quan fire directly forward on several occasions (The Long Twilight Struggle, Movement of Fire and Shadow)and at an angle once (And Now For a Word). The FX shots of the G'Quan's laser barrels really make it look like it can only fire directly ahead.

We see Omegas fire directly forward on several occasions. The only time we see lateral traverse on their beams is in Moments in Transition.

I think there is canon evidence for boresights. I think the game probably doesn't have enough of it.