Giving Ancients the Fear Factor

[l33tpenguin]

What would work within this system would be another higher value.

battle-> war-> ancient

Shadow vessels, and the larger vorlon ships could be placed at anchient level, along with the first ones ships. This would make them cost exceptionally more while still allowing them to remain the deadly force they are in the show.

I mean, when an omega can start to hammer away at a shadow vessel before the shadow is in range, something just isn't right!

Vorlon light cruiser could be changed to a war level ship, the heavy cruiser placed at ancient

 

[emperorpenguin]

I mean, when an omega can start to hammer away at a shadow vessel before the shadow is in range, something just isn't right!

yes something isn't right....

the shadow player with +6 initiative and Super Maneuvrability should NOT be ending up in the boresight of the Omega! :lol:

 

[l33tpenguin]

I mean, when an omega can start to hammer away at a shadow vessel before the shadow is in range, something just isn't right!

yes something isn't right....

the shadow player with +6 initiative and Super Maneuvrability should NOT be ending up in the boresight of the Omega! :lol:

Yes yes, my emperor. However, it IS possible, highly unlikely, but it COULD happen. either way. An omega isn't anywhere near on the same playing field as a shadow capital vessel. An Sharlin isn't on the same playing field. The first ones, vorlons and shadows included, should get their own catagory, I think this would go leaps and bounds to creating better balance between the older races and younger ones

 

[emperorpenguin]

Yes yes, my emperor.

I quite like that, bow down before the penguin!

 

[l33tpenguin]

Yes yes, my emperor.

I quite like that, bow down before the penguin!

Don't push me, however. I'm l33t, which means I'm fluent in "BOOM!!! Headshot!"

 

[sidewinder]

seeing as how you'd get 2 omegas to 1 shadow ship its not that hard to line at least one of them up.

 

[Silvereye]

It is when they hit you from the side....

 

[Greg Smith]

The Omegas will likely get a boresight shot for the first couple of turns. After that the Shadow will be able to stay well away from the front of the slow moving, slow turning destroyers.

 

[Twin-Linked Aldades]

It is quite easy to line up boresights on shadow vessels, as the shadow fleet, even more then the Vorlons, lack 'low level' ships that create the infamous initiative sink..

 

[lastbesthope]

Well I played a 5 point Raid tourney fleet game, my 4 WS and extra Nials against a Vorlon fleet of 4 transports, a Destroyer and a Light Cruiser. The end result after a couple of hours play and the shop closing, a draw.

Good game though, could have gone either way.

LBH

 

[Achiles]

I really think any tinkering with the priority system is to much at this stage. We will probably beable to fix them without having to go that far. And going to a point system is like rebuilding the barn because the hinges on a couple of stall doors are loose. The fact that shadow ships are super maneuverable and the shadow ship is the only one with a turreted weapon (no one has presented any proof from the show that it ever fired out of anything but the front) I think settles the it in favor of a front arc for the shadow ship MSB.

LBH did you use any of the modifications listed here? My experience with the tourney fleets versus shadows or vorlons versus my whitestars has been pretty ugly for the ancients.

 

[l33tpenguin]

I really think any tinkering with the priority system is to much at this stage. We will probably beable to fix them without having to go that far. And going to a point system is like rebuilding the barn because the hinges on a couple of stall doors are loose. The fact that shadow ships are super maneuverable and the shadow ship is the only one with a turreted weapon (no one has presented any proof from the show that it ever fired out of anything but the front) I think settles the it in favor of a front arc for the shadow ship MSB.

LBH did you use any of the modifications listed here? My experience with the tourney fleets versus shadows or vorlons versus my whitestars has been pretty ugly for the ancients.

This is why I suggested adding another tier to the system. Putting the older races at the level of ancient gives them the ability to be as powerful as they are while still maintaining the same structure that is currently in game.

 

[lastbesthope]

LBH did you use any of the modifications listed here? My experience with the tourney fleets versus shadows or vorlons versus my whitestars has been pretty ugly for the ancients.

Nope used VAnilla tourney fleet lists and rules from SFOS and such where applicable.

I don't mess with scripture, not without trying it out first :lol:

LBH

 

[WickedE]

>_> A Shadow Hunter shredded my Primus to near death in one shot, Gutted both my Vorchan in one shot, crippled my Centurions in one or two hits, and utterly destroyed my 5 pt. raid fleet. USing tournament rules, of course.

...Shadows don't NEED a fear factor. They already have it.
Who knows what Evil lurks in the heart of all races? The Shadows know.

 

[Galaga]

Technically it was two Shadow Hunters.

One MSB took out a Vorchan (not hard given it's skirmish)

Two MSBs crippled/destroyed the Centurions (raid, not bad).

and 1 MSB and 1 PPC took out the Primus.


And thanks to the fact I skirted the asteroid fields the whole game, you barely got shot off. Thanks to super maneuverability for that.


So yeah, played right the Shadows are definately a force to be reckoned with.

 

[prelude_to_war]

This is why I suggested adding another tier to the system. Putting the older races at the level of ancient gives them the ability to be as powerful as they are while still maintaining the same structure that is currently in game.

I suspect 'Armageddon' will include a new PL, if Narn Superdreadnoughts are any indication.

SM with terrain helps the shadow big time, no doubt about it.

 

[WickedE]

Technically it was two Shadow Hunters.

One MSB took out a Vorchan (not hard given it's skirmish)

Two MSBs crippled/destroyed the Centurions (raid, not bad).

and 1 MSB and 1 PPC took out the Primus.


And thanks to the fact I skirted the asteroid fields the whole game, you barely got shot off. Thanks to super maneuverability for that.


So yeah, played right the Shadows are definately a force to be reckoned with.

Yup. I don't want to fight you first round in April, man.

 

[Galaga]

Why? First round is skirmish, which is arguably my weakest PL in the tournament.

 

[WickedE]

Your raid ships scare me.
Also, on the Armageddon front...I don't think "Armageddon" will introduce a new Priority level or anything like that. I think it'll be a campaign/scenario book, maybe with some variants, but more than likely just stats for the new ships being released this year.

 

[Galaga]

The raid ship is a Shadow Scout.


The Shadow Hunter is Battle level.