Cruisers!
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AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
The "Landsort" Class Orbital Defence Battery: 100 kdT, Crew: 1600, GCr 28 + GCr 22 for a full load of torpedoes.
1G, Armour 15. Buffered Planetoid.
Armament: 100 Large Torpedo Bays. Launches 3 000 torpedoes / attack, priced with 12 rounds of multi warhead nuclear torpedoes.
Defences: Armour 15. 500 PD Batteries.
Can be mass produced for GCr 25. Torpedoes chosen for budget reasons. The missile variant would cost almost twice as much with missiles. Weak to fighters and boarders.
Intended for traffic control / defence of a gas giant. A few of these should discourage raiders of a CruRon or so from refuelling.
Note that two or three of these should hold off a CruRon of Hades-class BCs, but cost as a single BC.
1G, Armour 15. Buffered Planetoid.
Armament: 100 Large Torpedo Bays. Launches 3 000 torpedoes / attack, priced with 12 rounds of multi warhead nuclear torpedoes.
Defences: Armour 15. 500 PD Batteries.
Code:
TL 15 HullP 106 667 49 412
Desired Rat # dTonn Cost Power Hardp Crew
Hull 100000 20000 1000
Config Buffered Planetoid 7 7 35000 600
Hull strength Reinforced 3 3
Armour Bonded Superdense 20 11 8800 528
Rad Shielding 1 1 2500
Repair Drones 1 1 1000 200
JumpD VAdv,2*FuelEff
ManœuvreD HiTech.3*RedSize 1 1 1 700 2100 5000 20
PowerP TL12,3*RedSize 1 1985 2977 42525 57
Fuel, Power 4 4 1 198
Command Bridge 1 1 80 750
Holographic 1 1 188
Comp CORE/100 30 100 1 130
Backup Comp CORE/90 19 90 1 120
/fib 1 1 125
Sensors Advanced 9 4 2 10 11 6
Array Distributed 9 3 2 40 42
Extension Net 9 1 1 1000 1000
Signal Processing Enhanced 9 2 2 4 16 2
Countermeasures Military 9 2 2 30 56 2
Staterooms 100% 764 764 3056 382
Common Areas 25% 25% 1 764 76
Briefing Room 5 5 20 3
Library 5 5 20 20
Medical Bay 10% of crew 1 28 112 56
Workshop 10 10 60 9
Armoury 1 56 56 14
Brig 10 10 40 3
Low Berths 50 50 25 3 5
Cargo 990
UNREP 10 10 10 5 10
Large Bay
Torpedo High Technology 100 TL12 100 35000 4500 2500 500 400
Torpedoes 3000 torp / att 12 36000 21600
Point Defence Type III 500 500 9000 11000 15000 500
Boat Bay 2000 400 100
Crew 1400
Command 128
Bridge 94
Pilot 3
Astrogator 0
Sensor & EW 91
Engineer 277
Engineer 77
Maintenance 200
Service 111
Admin 100
Medic 10,5
Steward 0
Gunner 440
Flight 100
Troops 250Intended for traffic control / defence of a gas giant. A few of these should discourage raiders of a CruRon or so from refuelling.
Note that two or three of these should hold off a CruRon of Hades-class BCs, but cost as a single BC.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Once upon a time there was a poor world without an extensive military industry. Faced with an immediate threat they decided to build warships, but they lacked the know-how. Somehow they succeeded to steal the drawings for the fearsome Hades-class BC. Lacking the industry to build the hi-tech weaponry, they ripped it all out and replaced it with cheap and simple torpedo launchers. Realising that they probably needed defences they installed modules that could be replaced once such specialised military equipment could be produced.
"Hel" class Battle Cruiser, 100 000 dT, Crew: 1650, GCr 76.5 + GCr 21.5 for a full load of torpedoes (including ten torpedo modules modules)
J-4, 9G (6G w drop tanks), Armour 15, partial streamlining and fuel purification for wilderness refuelling.
Permanently mounted 33334 dT drop tank to enable J-4, internal tanks for J-2.
Armament: 74 large torpedo bays, 80 torpedo barbette, ten 1000 dT torpedo modules. Launches 3280 torpedoes / att.
Defences: Armour 15, optional ten 1000 dT modules
Blatant copy of Chas' concept to compare weapons.
"Hel" class Battle Cruiser, 100 000 dT, Crew: 1650, GCr 76.5 + GCr 21.5 for a full load of torpedoes (including ten torpedo modules modules)
J-4, 9G (6G w drop tanks), Armour 15, partial streamlining and fuel purification for wilderness refuelling.
Permanently mounted 33334 dT drop tank to enable J-4, internal tanks for J-2.
Armament: 74 large torpedo bays, 80 torpedo barbette, ten 1000 dT torpedo modules. Launches 3280 torpedoes / att.
Defences: Armour 15, optional ten 1000 dT modules
Code:
TL 15 HullP 73333 87 413
Desired Rat # dTonn Cost Power Hardp Crew
Hull 100000 20000 1000
Config Close Structure 4 4 6050
Hull strength Standard 2 2
Armour Bonded Superdense 20 15 12000 7260
Rad Shielding 1 1 2500
JumpD VAdv,2*Size 4 4 1 10671 20008 53334 305
ManœuvreD VAdv,2*Size 9 9 1 7200 18000 90000 206
PowerP TL12:3*Size 1 6850 10275 146780 196
Drop Tank Collar 4 4 1 133 67
Drop Tank 33334 dT 833
Fuel, Jump 2 2 1 20000
Fuel, Power 4 4 1 685
Fuel Purification 24 h 24 h 1 1000 50
Command Bridge 1 1 80 750
Holographic 1 1 188
Comp CORE/100 30 100 1 130
Backup Comp CORE/90 19 90 1 120
/fib 1 1 125
Software 100
Sensors Advanced 9 4 1 5 5 6
Array Distributed 9 3 1 10 11
Extension Net
Signal Processing Enhanced 9 2 1 2 8 2
Countermeasures Military 9 2 1 15 28 2
Staterooms 100% 900 900 3600 450
Common Areas 20% 20% 1 720 72
Briefing Room 5 5 20 3
Library 1 1 4 4
Medical Bay 10% of crew 1 38 152 76
Workshop 6 6 36 5
Armoury 1 116 116 29
Brig 2 2 8 1
Low Berths 10 10 5 1 1
Cargo 379
1000 dT Module 10 10 10000 34750 550
Large bay
Torpedo HiTech 3*Size 74 TL12 74 25900 3330 1850 370 296
Barbette
Torpedo High Technology 80 TL10 80 280 360 160 80 80
Torpedoes 2300 torps/att 12 27600 16560
Boat bay 200 40 10
Module PD Battery, Type III 55 990 1210 1650 55
SUM 55 990 1210 1650 55
Module Meson Meson Screen 92 644 2760 2760 92
Pulse Laser 55 55 303 715 55 55
Staterooms 74 296 37
SUM 995 3099,5 3475 55 147
Module Nuclear Nuclear Damper 92 644 1380 1840 92
Pulse Laser 55 55 303 715 55 55
Staterooms 74 296 37
SUM 995 1719,5 2555 55 147
Fighter Bay Fighter Hangar 35 dT 12 840 168 60
Staterooms 40 160 20
SUM 1000 188 0 0 60
Boat Bay Boat Hangar 500 100
Staterooms 400 50
Cargo 100
SUM 1000 150 0 0 0
Drone Bay 1.8 dT docking space 500 1000 200
1.8 dT Drones 500 2500
SUM 1000 2700 0 0 0
Torpedoes Large Bay 1 350 188 50 5 4
Medium Bay 4 280 150 40 4 8
Small Bay 0
Barbette 44 154 220 88 44 44
Staterooms 28 112 14
Torpedoes 98 / att 1176 103 706
SUM 999 1277 178 53 56
Flag Bridge Command Bridge 1 80 100
Briefing Room 30 120 15
Staterooms 100 400 50
Common Areas 50% 200 20
Boat Bay 200 40
SUM 1000 225
Barracks Bay Barracks 350 700 35
Staterooms 12 48 6
Armoury 75 75 19
Briefing Room 5 20 3
Medical Bay 4 16 8 4
Traning Facility 40 80 16 40
Brig 6 24 2
Cargo 37
SUM 374 1000 87,75 44 0 0
Extended Ops Collapsible Fuel Tank 1000 10 1
Cargo 990
SUM 1000 0,5 0 0 0
Crew 1650
Command 150
Bridge 94
Pilot 3
Astrogator 1
Sensor & EW 90
Engineer 907
Engineer 706
Maintenance 200
Service 113
Admin 100
Medic 12,39166667
Steward 0
Gunner 376
Flight 10
Troops 0Now this was my original High Guard favourite build and what I came back to Mongoose 1st edition to do. I have written chunks of fluff to go with this and could do a bunch more now with a storyline sketched out in my mind.
It is with reluctant acceptance I have to admit this hasn't turned out as well in this edition as it did in previous. Here and now I'd have to say it would only be an experimental build for specific mission use only, secret long range intrusion etc.
When I first approached this it was labeled Frontier Cruiser as a replacement for the Ashanti, where the FC was a deliberate misnomer for what was in fact a secret Fast Cruiser: an interceptor, a long range intruder useful in a bunch of tactical situations.
So the Jump 6 3+3 cruiser.
It is with reluctant acceptance I have to admit this hasn't turned out as well in this edition as it did in previous. Here and now I'd have to say it would only be an experimental build for specific mission use only, secret long range intrusion etc.
When I first approached this it was labeled Frontier Cruiser as a replacement for the Ashanti, where the FC was a deliberate misnomer for what was in fact a secret Fast Cruiser: an interceptor, a long range intruder useful in a bunch of tactical situations.
So the Jump 6 3+3 cruiser.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
I would say you have done rather well, you have ~11500 dT payload on a 100 kT J-6 cruiser.
Thats around 30% of the payload of the 2+2 cruiser. So you pay three times as much for the same firepower but you also get three times as much hull. Not bad for J-6 vs J-4.
Thats around 30% of the payload of the 2+2 cruiser. So you pay three times as much for the same firepower but you also get three times as much hull. Not bad for J-6 vs J-4.
So I wanted to find a standard use for a breakaway hull. And as mentioned I figured the idea of having the hull split into a jump drives and fuel portion to go down into a gas giant's gravity well to skim and process fuel, while the weaponry stayed in a high guard station might be a conventional use of this. Where a ship that might regularly have to enter potentially hostile or unknown territory might judge the 2% weight and cost worthwhile.
So I've done the following design as a Frontier Cruiser, a state of the art replacement for the Ashanti. Here I have a 100,000 ton hull which splits on a 40/60 ratio which I'm call the front and rear ends. As a whole the system is J5. The rear the bigger part being the majority of the drives and fuel, but I've kept Jump 4 drives onboard the front part along with a bit over J2 fuel. Attached to both portions is 8000 ton drop tanks.
Which makes for a series of interesting options. The drop tanks can be used to refuel the front end while it is in high guard station as tugs ferry the drop tank between the parts. The front end can go on an independent jump mission, or worst case jump out itself if surprised and totally over matched while the fuel section is down in the gravity well. I've kept the drop tanks for the total build at an overall 4+1 configuration, much safer than the admittedly risky 2+2 or worse 3+3 build above... one that is more likely to pass muster with approval boards and keeps the vessel viable at all times. I'd imagine the use case for the front end would often have its drop tank left behind in the same system as the rear as it does another local smaller jump with the tank being refilled while away and having J2 to return with. This ship also has the option to have the entire ship do a jump 4, and then the front end immediately, with no further refueling need, can do another Jump 2 with the front only.
No great firepower, but then anything that was going to be Jump 5 for a frontier cruiser design was never going to be.
Interesting is the necessary double computer costs and sensors et al here... but this is also built in redundancy to a point.
So I've done the following design as a Frontier Cruiser, a state of the art replacement for the Ashanti. Here I have a 100,000 ton hull which splits on a 40/60 ratio which I'm call the front and rear ends. As a whole the system is J5. The rear the bigger part being the majority of the drives and fuel, but I've kept Jump 4 drives onboard the front part along with a bit over J2 fuel. Attached to both portions is 8000 ton drop tanks.
Which makes for a series of interesting options. The drop tanks can be used to refuel the front end while it is in high guard station as tugs ferry the drop tank between the parts. The front end can go on an independent jump mission, or worst case jump out itself if surprised and totally over matched while the fuel section is down in the gravity well. I've kept the drop tanks for the total build at an overall 4+1 configuration, much safer than the admittedly risky 2+2 or worse 3+3 build above... one that is more likely to pass muster with approval boards and keeps the vessel viable at all times. I'd imagine the use case for the front end would often have its drop tank left behind in the same system as the rear as it does another local smaller jump with the tank being refilled while away and having J2 to return with. This ship also has the option to have the entire ship do a jump 4, and then the front end immediately, with no further refueling need, can do another Jump 2 with the front only.
No great firepower, but then anything that was going to be Jump 5 for a frontier cruiser design was never going to be.
Interesting is the necessary double computer costs and sensors et al here... but this is also built in redundancy to a point.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Nice illustration.
(You only have 1% in each hull for a total of 1% of total hull for breakaway connectors, it should be 2%. Negligible change.)
(Your laser turrets appear to be 2 dT each, should be 1 dT. Negligible change.)
Especially a frontier cruiser should have backups for cheap components. For such a big ship computers and sensors are insignificant costs.Chas said:
(You only have 1% in each hull for a total of 1% of total hull for breakaway connectors, it should be 2%. Negligible change.)
(Your laser turrets appear to be 2 dT each, should be 1 dT. Negligible change.)