Brit Inf. anti-tank ability...

[Zarr]

looks to me like the Brit inf plt does not have much in the way of anti-tank ability...

1)-do you think the up-coming SAS set will have any man-carry anti-tank weapons?...

2)-what Brit inf sets in the future might have such an ability?...

3)-will the advanced Lynx have an anti-tank ability?...

4)-will this game force anyone playing the Brits to go with a Challanger , Warrior or Lynx(?) to fill the anti-tank role this next year...

 

[weasel_fierce]

I'd be highly surprised if there werent anti tank infantry coming out.

 

[Zarr]

if the standard Brit inf plt...as shown by the boxed set...does not have anti-tank weapons...what Brit unit would have such...are there special inf units (some kind of tank hunters) that are tasked with that job on the battlefield...

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

It's interesting to note that the USMC base squad has just as much (or as little) anti tank firepower as the EFTF one. But there's plenty more units to come for both forces, and I'm sure at least some of them will have Anti-tank capabilities.

Zarr - the EFTF doesn't just contain British infantry. There's also French and German forces in the initial releases.

 

[Zarr]

excuse the double post...

 

[Zarr]

RIGHT!...the French and Germans...like I said...I will be playing the Brits...

 

[dyssnowman]

I know that there has been mention of an anti-tank add-on for the USMC, so I imagine that the Brits will get one as well.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

RIGHT!...the French and Germans...like I said...I will be playing the Brits...

They're all EFTF forces though - the only reason to take all British troops is personal preference.

 

[Kenrick Dargoth]

blind or dumb but what's the difference betwen US and Brits?

 

[dyssnowman]

Primarily the USMC squad has one more soldier (the sergeant) and they have the Intelligence feeds letting them re-roll during deployment. Other than that, they are pretty much the same.

 

[Iain McGhee]

if the standard Brit inf plt...as shown by the boxed set...does not have anti-tank weapons...what Brit unit would have such...are there special inf units (some kind of tank hunters) that are tasked with that job on the battlefield...

Most, if not all, real-world British infantry squads would have access to LAW-80 disposable AT weapons (or a future replacement). Might be an option for Infantry squads in the main rulebook or something, or you might need to spend points on seperate AT teams. Speculation. There are also heavier man-portable AT weapons (and MANPADS for that matter) like the Milan family which are used by specialist AT squads available to UK forces, and I'd expect to see them for all the armies at some point.

The current Lynx carries TOW missiles (8 I think) so you can assume that the Future Lynx will have some sort of AT missile option too (Hellfire ?)

The difference between US and UK troops is that GIs don't have to buy their own gear in the local camping shop before being deployed :?

 

[Zarr]

well...the reason I am staying with the Brits...

is that the Privates/Corporals and LTs of today...will be the First SGTs/CSMs and Majors/Colonels of 2018...armies that have combat experience will have a big advantage in any future conflict...

when I look at Europe today...I see a stunning lack of combat experience...

I really do not , nor ever have considered the Brits European...they are in their own league...in military ability far above the Europeans...

as a matter of fact...if you look at troop deployments into the combat areas of the world over the past 10 years...I would have to say the Polish army has the most combat experience in Europe...

that said...I want the best in my force...and that is the Brits...

when the Germans and French appear in the Mongoose combat world of BFEvo...I hope this lack of experience is taken into consideration when assigning abilities and effectiveness...

I really do not think the French or Germans would take part in a 2018 global conflict...I beleave a better choice for factions would have been...

1)-the AATF(Anglo Alliance Task Force) with the U.S. , Brits , Canadians , Austrailians , New Zealanders and perhaps Belgium , The Neatherlands and the Scandinavians...
2)-the MEA
3)-the PLA
4)-the Russians

that EFTF is a nightmare...I could just see it all fall apart...with one French-on-Brit OR German-on-French friendly fire incident...

but then...that is just my opinion...I love the game as it is...and I look forward to being heavily envolved in it...

 

[Iain McGhee]

I doubt whether there's going to be any rules outside of suppression/shatter thresholds between professional and conscript armies to differentiate experience levels of troops. Especially within the same force (i.e. the EFTF). I agree with you that the idea of the EFTF is fraught with problems, what with units in the same force having different languages and different equipment not to mention the political problems that could occur. Although given the BF:EVO background with various forces trying to secure then-rare oil and gas supplies I could see necessity breeding cooperation. Going to war for oil ? Really far-fetched hmm ? :wink:

I'm looking forward to the Germans myself. Leopards, Marders (I hope) and the coolest looking rifle in the world (G36 family. Hey, BSG even uses them !). Used to play 1980s Germans in 1/300 scale. Of course, BF:EVO is a different kind of game entirely.

 

[Zarr]

I lived in Germany for some time...with the majority of their army made up of one year manditory service youths right out of high school...YIKES!...

I assume that in the BFEvo conflict...the Germans would comit their best units...and they do have a certain part of their army that is professional...their Fallschrimjagers , a few Panzer units , a few Gebergsjagers and the GSG9...but they have no depth and no combat experience...they do look really kewl...

now if their was a huge reserve of beer insted of oil at stake...stand back and let them have at it...

 

[weasel_fierce]

The rules engine has no way of distinguishing troop quality and experience. Its all based on equipment (and the Germans get a leg up here )

 

[Poko]

it has, in a way. look at the SST->the LAMI have a rule that limits their FZ to 3", to show their lack of training.sort of :wink:

when I look at Europe today...I see a stunning lack of combat experience...

so,the only difference will be that the US forces wil be "war-weary", and demoralised aftery years of giurella warfare? :wink:
i wouldn't discount european fed so easily. if they(in the BF reality) managed to make the step from the bastard child of Coal and steel community to a federation with a single gov.army, then it's really a force to reckon with.
after all, as the song goes, 'europe was born in bodies-filled trenches" :wink:

 

[weasel_fierce]

It also depends whether the setting assumes that the war has been going on for a while, or is freshly started.

After half a year of slugging it out, Im pretty sure the french and germans would be back in style.

 

[Zarr]

Poko...the whole EFTF idea is just way too fragile...what would happen when if German unit calls down a friendly fire artillery barrage on a Polish unit...

 

[Zarr]

you have a good point...weasel_fierce...we really do not have much info about the BFEvo conflict...but I get the impression that it starts off in 2018...when the game begins and that there has been no such action prior...

 

[Poko]

Poko...the whole EFTF idea is just way too fragile...what would happen when if German unit calls down a friendly fire artillery barrage on a Polish unit...

eerm. would not happen? someone i think is reading waay to much into the historical rivalries and mistrust. while Poles may joke about german lack of imagination and fat women, and Germans about polish car-thieves and laziness, the actual stance of population on both sides of the border is friendly. german soldiers would far more likely trade their wurst for polish vodka in the camp, proverbiali speaking, then call artillery barrage on them. same with every other nation in europe. for pete's sake, the military are goddamn profesionals. there were no "FF" incindents in all the multi-national manouvers, there would be during a REAL war? kid me not. (i'm talking about fixed incindets, not real ones.but even then, it would not cause the entire EF to fall apart-_-" )
as for the political side: the BF scenario says that the EU was transformed into a federal state)or so it seems form the previews). so, when the Federal army was created they must have laid down the protocols and whatnot to ensure smooth run of the forces.
of course right now the "EF" in a political fiction, i wouldn't count on it being created in another 50 years, but it's a game.