BF Evo, future weapons
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mthomason said:Reaverman said:
The point is for someone to put on a really great demo for top brass who don't understand the problems in the field, and then to make a lot of money manufacturing them
OIC...get the Ruperts to pay for a white elephant. Sounds similar to what they did with the Rockwell Bomber :lol:
Reaverman said:
I'd imagine for air assault troops. A one off jump pack to land then work as infantry. Also I think they'd be quite effective at times because mif they only do small jumps they will be fast and hard to hit, AA wont be quick enough (or near the front lines, or blocked by buildings). It looks liek a bit of an ultra specialised weapon though- like a dinghy, onyl useful for limited things. Also it might be good over minefields.
Oh and as mentioned it will earn companies money....
Didnt say before but nice pics Hiro.
Actually, they're supposed to provide mobility to soldiers. You might remember:
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Basically, the concept behind individual aircraft was to provide the soldiers with a rapid movement capability vs. nuclear engagements. Also, the picture you're inquiring about, Reaverman, does come with avionics, built into one of the hand grips. So, let's quickly run down your list, shall we?
1. So? Speed is what counts here. Speed is Life for one of these soldiers.
2. Umm, not really. You still have limited armor while on foot, so the average soldier who pilots one of these things doesn't have any more and or any less armor. Besides, this is ment for the FCS system.
3. See above
4. So? How is that any different than turning a pair of 20mm anti-aircraft guns on a ground born squad? Even missiles will get used against infantry. Remember the soldiers using TOWs on Usay and his brother?
5. What level of bad weather? Effectively, if you're trained in the operation of this, you should be able to fly in practically any weather a heliocopter can fly in.
One of the other uses was to recover downed pilots. And there's been a proposal to the Coast Guard for the unit to be deployed in Search and Rescue.
Anyway, back to the neat pictures. Next, the Super Hind!
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Basically, the concept behind individual aircraft was to provide the soldiers with a rapid movement capability vs. nuclear engagements. Also, the picture you're inquiring about, Reaverman, does come with avionics, built into one of the hand grips. So, let's quickly run down your list, shall we?
1. So? Speed is what counts here. Speed is Life for one of these soldiers.
2. Umm, not really. You still have limited armor while on foot, so the average soldier who pilots one of these things doesn't have any more and or any less armor. Besides, this is ment for the FCS system.
3. See above
4. So? How is that any different than turning a pair of 20mm anti-aircraft guns on a ground born squad? Even missiles will get used against infantry. Remember the soldiers using TOWs on Usay and his brother?
5. What level of bad weather? Effectively, if you're trained in the operation of this, you should be able to fly in practically any weather a heliocopter can fly in.
One of the other uses was to recover downed pilots. And there's been a proposal to the Coast Guard for the unit to be deployed in Search and Rescue.
Anyway, back to the neat pictures. Next, the Super Hind!
xeoran said:
One man, with a rifle and scope would bugger that theory. To me, its application in the battle enviroment is flawed. The overall cost for that piece of machinery, would far out weigh the need. Especially when the cost of mine clearing equipement, and IFV's would be a lot cheaper and safer to travel by.
Its all good having units like that in the game, but in reality its a bit of a white elephant.
Kristovich
Mongoose
BuShips said:
Really? Now that's scary and funny at the same time :lol:
Wonder if they'll take Hiro as the leader of this organisation or whatever you might say. Had any visits by men in black suits Hiro? :lol:
To the future stuff though, I'm sure we won't be seeing any super-mega-high tech stuff as, like someone said, the name escapes me at the moment, the grunts who do the most part of the fighting probably will have to do with old fashioned assault rifles, MGs and such.
Just my points and thoughts.
Hiromoon said:Actually, they're supposed to provide mobility to soldiers. You might remember:
or
Basically, the concept behind individual aircraft was to provide the soldiers with a rapid movement capability vs. nuclear engagements. Also, the picture you're inquiring about, Reaverman, does come with avionics, built into one of the hand grips. So, let's quickly run down your list, shall we?
1. So? Speed is what counts here. Speed is Life for one of these soldiers.
2. Umm, not really. You still have limited armor while on foot, so the average soldier who pilots one of these things doesn't have any more and or any less armor. Besides, this is ment for the FCS system.
3. See above
4. So? How is that any different than turning a pair of 20mm anti-aircraft guns on a ground born squad? Even missiles will get used against infantry. Remember the soldiers using TOWs on Usay and his brother?
5. What level of bad weather? Effectively, if you're trained in the operation of this, you should be able to fly in practically any weather a heliocopter can fly in.
One of the other uses was to recover downed pilots. And there's been a proposal to the Coast Guard for the unit to be deployed in Search and Rescue.
Anyway, back to the neat pictures. Next, the Super Hind!
Look at those pics, they must have been drawn when JFK was in short pants! Which also goes to show, that the application of these machines has been dropped. Remember, somethimes these silly projects are invested into, when the Defence Department is trying to justify the need for $XX Billion per year.
Also remember a lot of the cold war, was fought with propaganda. Making the other side think you have some new high tech weapon, or technique to defeating the enemies sub
I think that political events are going to dictate the tech for future weapons, like that Sniper detection system. Munitions smart enough to differentiate between friend and foe, and UAV's. I dont think its going to be Jet Packs, and power armour...at least not in the next 15 years.
I have the opinion that we are not appreciating that we are all inside of science fiction, but are just passing it off as things pop all around us. A customer came into my computer store / hobby shop and when seeing some of my SST models and terrain said "Oh, what's sci-fi doing in a computer store?". I replied "It's all science fiction!" You want to buy some nanotech? :wink: He said "That's not real yet" and I said "Well, if you buy a computer today, it will be made with third-generation nanotech... really." I then pointed to my Haggar Freedom Khakis I was wearing and said they were 100% cotton, treated with a nanotech process. Last night, as I did my weekly duty volunteering as an aerospace instructor to a gaggle of about a dozen Civil Air Patrol cadets, I read them a news release that a British businessman was turning his frequent-flyer miles in on a space ride in two years. Talk about future shock! Actually, if I heard about functional jet packs and power armor I don't think I'd be too surprised :lol: .
Hiromoon said:
Show me what pictures you want, but until the skies darken with personal transports, and hover tanks, I'm not going to be convinced . I think the orginal point of the orginal thread, was future weapons in the next 10 years. I cant see anything like that, in the next 10 years (I'm willing to eat my hat too).
Reaverman said:
Ever fired a gun? Try using a scoped gun and I assure you that it wont help if the enemy moves fast enough. In fact its an impediment because your PoV is narrowed. A fast enough flyer (which is when they will use it) can move fast enough to avoid snipers. More than that intelligent doctrine would suggest that flyers are used in shock attacks when the enemy wont know you are coming and has no time to prepare.
Mines arent the only point too- this is about mobility, beign in the right place at the right time.
xeoran said:
Only a Smith and Wesson 38, and a Smith and Wesson 465 (an automatic). Beyond that, no I have not fired a scoped weapon...have you?
I know that one thing snipers look for, thats repetition. Since the these jump troopers will be hopping up and down, from point to point. The sniper just has to wait, as the trooper hits apogee. As for a device that rips along the horizon, like I mentioned before, where is the avionics. Also, the technology now, and in the next 10 years. Try fitting an engine in a portable housing, that a man can occupy AND at the same time make it small. The closest you are going to get, is a helicopter.
Now I know there is a jetpack, that shows up at big events. But the guy needs serious training, and its not the most agile of machines!
In the end, you are not going to have infantry using these packs in the next 10 years. They are going to be expensive, training the soldier is going to be expensive, and I cant see any department in the world justifying it.
I reckon in the next 10 years, you are going to see more remote vehicles, they will be cheaper to use, and cost efficient. Plus, politcally, people are not going to get their panties in a bind because someone popped a remote. In fact, I reckon the current line of aircraft, are more than likely be the last models you see with a pilot in them. In possibly 15-20 years they will all be remote. Thats where the tech is going to be, not with the jump pack troops, or rocketeers
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
It shocks me to say it but I agree with Reaverman here! :shock:
Too many of these high tech projects never see the light of day. A lot of them are just to use up tax dollars and many others are simply impractical.
Jetpacks? Not within the next 15 years I'd bet...
Too many of these high tech projects never see the light of day. A lot of them are just to use up tax dollars and many others are simply impractical.
Jetpacks? Not within the next 15 years I'd bet...
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
which one? can you thumbnail?
I really don't believe such tech will be feasible anytime soon
Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
I've seen it on the Military Channel and the Discovery Channel being flown in tests.Also, the Mythbusters tried making one with commercially available parts. They failed ,but then they only spent a few thousand not tens of millions.
