Armageddon: WOW

[Ripple]

I agree move the fighter discussion to another thread.

Arm. is changing three big things that we have seen game wide.

1 fighters firing before ships

2 stealth mechanic is now 0-8 -1stelath 9-20 no change 21+ +1 stealth

3 priority level system conversion chart

Non-game wide changes are -

1 Earth force is basically being rewritten as ships change levels and are split into multiple lists and have stat adjustments.

2 Ancients (includig Shadows/Vorlons) are being re-written. No use speculating as we don't have enough info to say what the interactions will be.

3 A variety of ships are seeing adjustment. Again we don't know enough to comment. We don't know for sure which ships, how many or in what ways.

4 A variety of new ships were added/changed to reflect the new pl.

That a good synopsis of what we know so far?

Ripple

 

[Triggy]

Katadder - with the Shadow and Vorlon fleets, have each of their ship (and/or not fighter) choices gone up a priority level in Armageddon or are the changes in PL for them a little more subtle? (nice to start planning those ancients fleets sooner rather than later)

e.g. now is a Vorlon Transport Raid, Destroyer Battle, Light Cruiser War and Heavy Cruiser Armageddon; Shadow Scout Battle, Hunter War, Ship Armageddon?

Ripple - good summary as far as I can tell!

 

[Greg Smith]

There is at least one more rule tweak.

Not every Shadow and Vorlon ship changes PL.

 

[Triggy]

Cheers Greg.

At least one rule tweak would be e-mines (if there aren't any more)

 

[Silvereye]

2 stealth mechanic is now 0-8 -1stelath 9-20 no change 21+ +1 stealth

I can see the Torotha getting even more maligned. Who knows, this change might even make it worth a Patrol choice....

 

[Captain Kremmen]

2 stealth mechanic is now 0-8 -1stelath 9-20 no change 21+ +1 stealth

I can see the Torotha getting even more maligned. Who knows, this change might even make it worth a Patrol choice....

Tend to agree with Silvereye. The once useless Torotha can now look back on uselessness as the golden days. I would not mind but I have 6 of them!!!

 

[Greg Smith]

Cheers Greg.

At least one rule tweak would be e-mines (if there aren't any more)

Okay, at least two more rules tweaks. :wink:

 

[Nomad]

So Armageddon supercedes the Tournament pack...what about the Earth-Minbari War book? are the ships presented there still valid?

 

[prelude_to_war]

Tend to agree with Silvereye. The once useless Torotha can now look back on uselessness as the golden days. I would not mind but I have 6 of them!!!

But if it goes back to SFoS stats, at least its F weapon becomes DD+Precise. That's gotta be worth something...?

So Armageddon supercedes the Tournament pack...what about the Earth-Minbari War book? are the ships presented there still valid?

I'd guess those lists are still valid assuming you're playing in that era/campaign. Use of ships from that book would have to be agreed upon in other circumstances.

 

[Silvereye]

But if it goes back to SFoS stats, at least its F weapon becomes DD+Precise. That's gotta be worth something...?

Only if you can get to within 8" where its Stealth drops to 3+.... They also tend to go pop on a regular basis with Stealth 4+, so I don't see this helping their case too much.

 

[CZuschlag]

I've heard the Var'Nic's Ion Torps got fixed in A. Can I hope the same of the Wahant's Slow-Loading Bolters?

 

[Nomad]

Back on the E-M War thing...I'd suggest continuing to use the SFoS stealth rules for Earth Force in this period, to reflect their complete helplessness against the Minbari at that time.

After the war, Earth's sensor technology catches up with the rest of the galaxy, and things become a little more balanced.

 

[Nerroth]

I think it was missed in the rush, but has the Victory been changed to an Armageddon-class PL in the new book?


Gary

 

[Twin-Linked Aldades]

I don`t have a book, but yes, it passed in a few topics so far...

I never got to field my 7 in war level, now its a megabattle dream altogether lol

 

[big-gazza]

Hi,
been away from the forum for a while so sorry if this has been covered.

I noticed a few pages back that the Omega has been changed in the new book.

Any details?

thanks

Gazza

 

[prelude_to_war]

The new Omega stats are in one of the latest S&P articles...not the current but the one previous I think. Basically the P/S weapons got upped to 6AD and the crew score went up by 6 or 8. The new fighter rules also give the Omega a little more oomph.

I do wonder if the WS will now be dodge 3+ or 4+. It's 4+ in the tournament rules and worked out quite well...If it remains at 3+ (which I think is too good), are we expected to rely on fighters now that they fire first? I guess that brings the SFoS WS back down to Earth (or Minbar, Narn, Centuari Prime, what have you).

 

[big-gazza]

The new Omega stats are in one of the latest S&P articles...not the current but the one previous I think. Basically the P/S weapons got upped to 6AD and the crew score went up by 6 or 8. The new fighter rules also give the Omega a little more oomph.

Hi,
thanks. Will look up S&P.

Gazza

 

[Triggy]

The new Omega stats are in one of the latest S&P articles...not the current but the one previous I think. Basically the P/S weapons got upped to 6AD and the crew score went up by 6 or 8. The new fighter rules also give the Omega a little more oomph.

I do wonder if the WS will now be dodge 3+ or 4+. It's 4+ in the tournament rules and worked out quite well...If it remains at 3+ (which I think is too good), are we expected to rely on fighters now that they fire first? I guess that brings the SFoS WS back down to Earth (or Minbar, Narn, Centuari Prime, what have you).

One of the FAQs is about the White Star dodge. Given that, I'm guessing the Armageddon White Star will be the SFoS one with a 4+ dodge. I'm not certain though!

 

[katadder]

ok been away a few days, few questions i noticed coming through:

shadow hunters and shadow ships have definately gone up in PL, cant remember scouts.
vorlon heavy cruiser is also up in PL.

white star dodge is now 4+ atho WS-C 2 isnt mentioned so dunno if thats included, molecular pulsars are down to 4AD and lose precise on WS too.

emines now lose the -1 from roll on damage table but cant cause crits (which is what i think they should also add to new fighters)

the chronos p-beams are clarified as 5" range not 18

varnic does get precise on its torps.

skindancing fighters/whitestars now ignore stealth

the adira now comes with 4(?) flights of rutarians too

yes the victory is upto armageddon level but is now well worth it, AD up on all weapons (10 on the lightning canon), more damage and it now has adaptive armour (which i said it should have had a long time ago)

feel free to ask more questions you can think of and will do my best to answer or hopefully find out if needed (and if possible)

 

[lastbesthope]

IIRC, at the last Mongoose Open Day, playing with Armageddon WS stats, they were dodge 4+

LBH