victor romeo
Mongoose
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Adira Class....truly lives up to its name.....
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victor romeo
Mongoose
Taran said:
Perhaps medieval would have ben a better choice of word than primitive. It puts them on the same level as peple who burnt 'witches'.
My thought was that it was tasteless based on the issue that a womans life was at stake in the news program. I tend not to make light of something while a persons life is still at stake. But I understood the intent.
I understand folks taking their religion seriously, but when someone takes their religion too seriously, when to be religious is to be an oppressor, to threaten those around you, I don't feel I have to respect that. Calling for someones death due to using a word is beyond the expectation of tolerance.
Ripple
I understand folks taking their religion seriously, but when someone takes their religion too seriously, when to be religious is to be an oppressor, to threaten those around you, I don't feel I have to respect that. Calling for someones death due to using a word is beyond the expectation of tolerance.
Ripple
Greg Smith
Mongoose
Legally her life isn't at stake. She has been sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation. However there are angry mobs on the street who are demanding her death and she is being held in a police station rather than being transfered to prison for her safety.
eldiablito
Mongoose
Well, this isn't exactly new to the human condition. I always like to point out that in 1676, there is a documented court trial where a non-local man did not bow before a Catholic, saintly procession in France. The accused man was convicted of heresy and eventually burned at the stake. Even now, a fairly famous comedian (although I never cared about him) was black-balled from his profession for saying some ugly things about Jews (what do you expect?!? Comedians are renown for saying inflammatory words). Oh yeah, I do think it is crazy to want the death of a teacher who made a serious cultural blunder; but that sort of crazy is not rare and (unfortunately) all too common.
People frequently take things too seriously, get their proverbial panties in a bunch, and then go off and do horrible things. So, don't start to think that English speaking people are somehow superior to those people rioting in the streets about a foolishly nick-named teddy bear; Rather, let us use this lesson to be more culturally savvy when we are guests in other people's country.
People frequently take things too seriously, get their proverbial panties in a bunch, and then go off and do horrible things. So, don't start to think that English speaking people are somehow superior to those people rioting in the streets about a foolishly nick-named teddy bear; Rather, let us use this lesson to be more culturally savvy when we are guests in other people's country.
eldiablito
Mongoose
Back on topic, I always wondered how this ship would perform in the game... After all, it was named after a Centauri slave, stripper (and who-knows-what-else) who seduced the Late-Emperor Londo and somehow "convinced" him to buy her freedom (along with several family relics of Molari tradition).
:lol:
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eldiablito
Mongoose
animus said:
Thank you!!!
Many of the US's founding fathers were Deits. Thomas Jefferson (writer of the often mis-used quote "...that [all men] are endowed by their Creator ...") and many others were very clear in their religious views; the universe was made by a creator, but not necessarily the same divine individual as seen in the Bible. Yes, there were others who also were very firmly Protestants, but the religious debate was and still is a relevant topic for the direction of "American" policy. Sorry if I sound arrogant or pretentious... I'm a teacher who spends much of my teaching US History and all too often, a parent gets in my face about that very misconception. That parent then gets an education in the fundamentals of Deism and examples of where you can see it in our government. It gets tiresome.
M1ndr1d3rs
Mongoose
eldiablito said:
Emperor Mollari would have your head if he hears you talk about his true love that way :lol:
Personally, I think she was gorgeos though. I mean the real Adira, not the ship (unless you're using Urobach's design). Can't recall many woman who's still attractive without hair. I bet a lot of human would have a go at her if we're compatible.
Oops, said too much. Now Londo will kill ME... :shock:
For the record, I'm not saying english speaking is better, certainly not historically. We have lots of our own issues, BUT...
Her life was/is at stake not legally, but actually as there is a mob outside calling for her to be brought out so they can kill her. A lot like our own old west lynch mobs. Over a the naming of a bear BY THE CHILDREN, not her.
Maybe I am saying we're better. Historically? Maybe not, but at least right now we tend to not, as a society, go over the top about things that don't actually harm anyone. We also usually try for a bit of mercy with our justice. Not individuals, and not all the time, but mob justice is rare currently.
So I think we can take some pride in that and hold our heads up a bit higher. That could just be my cultural bias speaking, as the Iraq war and the injustices done in our name seeking information are certainly outside those limits. But I think we've done a okay job of trying to instill some rationality into our public perception of how justice is arrived at.
I agree we should be culturally sensitive, but you cannot expect people from outside your society to get it all right, and your citizens should have some understanding of 'honest mistake' vs 'intentional harm'. The indonesian crowds that were burning/beheading folks as witches in the late nineties early 2000's are a good example of mob justice that goes to far, and needs to be condemned. If someone doesn't condemn it will be repeated. Take the woman in Saudi arabia getting lashes for being with a man not of her family. Culturally sound, but if we are true to our values we have to condemn it.
Anyway, we now return to our regularly scheduled discussion of B5....
Ripple
Her life was/is at stake not legally, but actually as there is a mob outside calling for her to be brought out so they can kill her. A lot like our own old west lynch mobs. Over a the naming of a bear BY THE CHILDREN, not her.
Maybe I am saying we're better. Historically? Maybe not, but at least right now we tend to not, as a society, go over the top about things that don't actually harm anyone. We also usually try for a bit of mercy with our justice. Not individuals, and not all the time, but mob justice is rare currently.
So I think we can take some pride in that and hold our heads up a bit higher. That could just be my cultural bias speaking, as the Iraq war and the injustices done in our name seeking information are certainly outside those limits. But I think we've done a okay job of trying to instill some rationality into our public perception of how justice is arrived at.
I agree we should be culturally sensitive, but you cannot expect people from outside your society to get it all right, and your citizens should have some understanding of 'honest mistake' vs 'intentional harm'. The indonesian crowds that were burning/beheading folks as witches in the late nineties early 2000's are a good example of mob justice that goes to far, and needs to be condemned. If someone doesn't condemn it will be repeated. Take the woman in Saudi arabia getting lashes for being with a man not of her family. Culturally sound, but if we are true to our values we have to condemn it.
Anyway, we now return to our regularly scheduled discussion of B5....
Ripple
Europe went through the Reformation, the Wars of Religion and the Enlightenment to persuade the christians that you didn't actually have to kill someone who you have doctrinal differences with. Outside of Northern Ireland and the former Yugoslavia, the christians have mostly taken the hint, and things have been improving even in those places, recently .
That whole process took Europe about three hundred and fifty years, say from Martin Luther getting the ball rolling in 1517 (and eventually being executed for his pains) until Charles Darwin was *not* burnt at the stake for publishing The Origin of The Species in 1856 (or thereabouts).
One might suggest that another major world faith is at a very early stage in the same journey...
Looking forward to using my Valer, er, Adira, as soon as I'm happy with the paint job. With my EA hat on, I certainly would not relish trying to fight against one.
.That whole process took Europe about three hundred and fifty years, say from Martin Luther getting the ball rolling in 1517 (and eventually being executed for his pains) until Charles Darwin was *not* burnt at the stake for publishing The Origin of The Species in 1856 (or thereabouts).
One might suggest that another major world faith is at a very early stage in the same journey...
Looking forward to using my Valer, er, Adira, as soon as I'm happy with the paint job. With my EA hat on, I certainly would not relish trying to fight against one.
M1ndr1d3rs
Mongoose
Ripple said:
Tell me about it...
Seriously, the truth is, people here don't really listen to anybody but themselves. Mob still rules, racism aplenty, and as a member of the minority, guys like me just prefer to lay low, and learn to listen... Though
most of the times I don't know whether to laugh or cry or run amok when I hear, watch or read the news.
Maybe that's why I like B5, I agree with JMS. I don't believe that 200 years from now mankind will be free from all the poverty, racism, etc. Star Trek is a dream and we know it. B5 is a dream that scares us just enough to be believable.
