A new use for a Bin'Tak?

[Morgoth]

I like the idea of this ship as it would be nice to see a dedicated large heavy carrier for the Narn. However, I would like to see ship have a bit more umph defensively, say Anti-fighter 4 or 5 ( due to loosing extra secondaries)plus interceptor 2.(after all it should have some interceptors as its a G'Vrahn era vessel) Also as a heavy carrier it should have a better command rating, apart from that I like it 8)

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Not all carriers have a command score at all...

 

[H]

I wanted to keep as much of the BinTak as possible, the first draft I never released had interceptors, but I took em off again as it has hull 6, something the other super carriers do not. I'm happy to bump the Command up. If it wants interceptors it has fighters! lets see what others think

 

[tschuma]

I like it! That I have both a Narn Fleet and Brakiri, and this would work out great!

Tom

 

[Ripple]

Not against it in theory, but seems to me this is even more indication that the G'Vrahn is too strong, not the Bin'tak is too weak. The ship was one of the best war level hulls out there last edition, now it's too weak to use?...

Might as well call it codex creep now...

Now just a variant super carrier for the Narn is kinda cool, but I thought that the lack of good carriers was part of the Narn doctrine. Given the e-mines you didn't want them to have access to good carrier groups, as their fighters would be largely unopposed.

Ripple

 

[H]

the binTak was indeed one of the finest war ships their ever was. I loved using it for sure. but if the G'Vrahn remains, i want some use out of my BinTak model ;-). this is no worse than the regular new EA ships. Maybe their is a point to be made about splitting other fleets into era's?

 

[phoenixhawk]

I like the supercarrier idea for the bin'tak. If it is a unique ship as first indicated, it won't be overpowering and self-limited. I like it with no interceptors, as as it does have a lot of fighters and is only a reworked hull not a new one, leave the interceptors (as new technology to the Narn) for the truly new ships. Bump the command by 1 and it's pretty cool. Wade out there into the middle of a fight, belch fighters, and have some fun.

Chris

 

[H]

i have agreed with morg to up its command, i'm leaving the rest as is... it's still weaker than a poseidon, but equal to a cidikar

 

[No. 1 Bear]

I feel that it should hae lots and lots of fighters. As its a huge ship. Maybe rigged to the outside so a giant swarm could be let out all at the smae time maybe. I ws thinkng then maybe AJE and carrier 12. I know this seems crazy but serousily how funny would that be i jump in the middle of you fleet and fighter swarm. Crazy but it might just work.

 

[dag'karlove]

You all ar Killing The Bin'tak off on the scrap heap. Dont. It Now Just works That much Better in Concert WitH the Gvrahn. The Bintak Sits back and shoots The Gvrahn Gets behind Things and shoots. 2 way Punch. I like The carrier Idea But Dont write off old faithful yet. Shes still gots lots of good years left in her. She still takes a beating. She stillinspires fear on the table and she still got all those nasty teeth she had before.

 

[Burger]

You all ar Killing The Bin'tak off on the scrap heap. Dont. It Now Just works That much Better in Concert WitH the Gvrahn. The Bintak Sits back and shoots The Gvrahn Gets behind Things and shoots. 2 way Punch. I like The carrier Idea But Dont write off old faithful yet. Shes still gots lots of good years left in her. She still takes a beating. She stillinspires fear on the table and she still got all those nasty teeth she had before.

I'd take 2 G'Vrahns over a G'Vrahn and a Bin'Tak any day of the week. If you want to keep one back to do your "2 way punch" then fine, but a 2x G'Vrahn 2-way punch is better than one of each! Just look at those mag gun AD's!

 

[EDFDarkAngel1]

I will not take Bin'Tak's. I like to win a game or two occasionally.

Dark Angel

 

[Shadow Queen]

stats looked good to me, they do need a better fleet carrier dont they

 

[Johnny D]

As I've said elsewhere just make the emines slowloading and I'd think a Bin Tak would about right (especially as a earlier ISP ship).

 

[Shadow Queen]

that include the gaim?

 

[Tzarevitch]

Updated ship... now with added fighter bomber!....

Narn Bin Tak Den'Lar: Super Carrier. Unique. War

With the development of the G'Vrahn as the regimes primary warship, those few BinTaks still in service were slowly pushed into reserve. However, the Den'Lar was converted into a "super carrier" to bring extra fighter support to any battle. The hull was shorn of many of it's weapons to make room for the launch and recovery systems. The new Narn fighter Bomber was bereft of a carrier, and so the Den'Lar was fitted with a mix of the reliable Gorith interceptor, and the To'reth fighter bomber. Whilst not as advanced as a Poseidon, or even the Cidikar, the Den'Lar retains the formidable armour of a Bin'tak.


Name: Bin Tak Super Carrier
Priority: War
ISD: 2268+
Hull: 6
Damage: 85/17
Crew: 95/23
Turns: 1/45
Speed: 5
Craft: To'reth 10, Gorith 10
Traits: Command +2
Anti Fighter 3
Jump Engine
Carrier 6
Fleet Carrier
Lumbering
Unique

Forward

Mag Gun 20 2 B/TD
Light ion Cannon 8 12 tl

Port

Light ion Cannon 8 10 tl

Starboard

Light ion Cannon 8 10 tl

Aft

Light ion Cannon 8 10 tl




To’Reth Fighter Bomber Flight Patrol (3 flights per Wing)

A wartime development, the To’Reth is a step forward in Narn fighter craft, its engines having been tailored to provide superior manoeuvrability and survivability in dogfights. Its array of weapons include an under slung ion torpedo mount which can prove a nasty shock to unwary captains.

Speed: 10 Turn: SM Hull: 5 Damage: – Crew: –
Troops: - Dogfight: +2 Craft: –
Special Rules: Atmospheric, Dodge 3+, Fighter
In Service: 2267+

Weapon Range Arc AD Special
Particle Gun 2 T 4 —
Light Ion Torpedo 4 T 1 AP, Precise

(this fighter bomber is used courtesy of Da Boss, apparently designed by Morgoth. This fighter can also be seen in Da Boss' excellent alternate universe supplement darkness rising)

**apologies on the formating, word and this forum seem not to like each other!!**

I like the idea a lot. It just seems like the ship lost a lot of weaponry for a mediocre fighter load out. Half of its load-out is junk. The To'Reths are great but why Goriths for the other half? I'd replace them with Frazis or put some weapons back on (ion torps for range perhaps).

Tzarevitch

 

[dag'karlove]

I will not take Bin'Tak's. I like to win a game or two occasionally.

Dark Angel

Ill tell you what Dark angel. If you are ever Denver way and fancy a gaim Ill take My narn with my Bintaks and pit them against your fav fleet whatever it is and we'll throw down and ill show you how nicely The Bin'Tak can chew up other fleets still. Ask angelus 2000 about Bintak Love and what its all about. He'll tell you.

 

[EDFDarkAngel1]

So you will be playing Gaim against Narn, or a game against your Narn? I'm confused.

Sure, if I'm ever in Denver, we can see how a Bin'Tak stands against a Warlock. One of them has never seen an engagement against a Bin'Tak, but the other one has three Bin'Tak kills marked on its hull

Dark Angel

 

[dag'karlove]

So you will be playing Gaim against Narn, or a game against your Narn? I'm confused.

Sure, if I'm ever in Denver, we can see how a Bin'Tak stands against a Warlock. One of them has never seen an engagement against a Bin'Tak, but the other one has three Bin'Tak kills marked on its hull

Dark Angel

Bring along your Bintak Killer. My 3 bintaks between them have 4 warlocks, an Adira, 2 sharlins, and many numerous other to take credit. Id look forward to a game.

 

[David Anla Shok']

Oh goodie. Another Narn uber ship. Why not.... I'm just wierded out by a fleet going from no carrier of note, to a super carrier. Not very Narnish.. and yes, I have that fleet too.