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Oh, this looks very, very good. The 'average' duck looks kind of weak, but no biggy. The artist's conception is good. The dragon and dwarf look about as good as I was hoping. I will now buy the basic rulebook...SOLD. 
I think we can now say they have integrated actions that are reserved for feats in D&D and integrated them into the rules so that anyone can attempt to do them. Run up a wall! So long as you have the actions, skills, and are not too overloaded. Those are the kind of things that should sell the game to older and younger gamers, hopefully. 8)
The AP is deducted from damage, as far as I know APs don't work against each other. I saw the dragon attacks with AP ratings, at least I suppose that was what AP meant, there. That I cannot explain for certain. It could be the amount of armor that a dragon's bite disregards, as in armor-piercing. Eek! If so that makes them nastier than ever. Half their POW in integrated runes. Eek again. :shock:
Wow, wow, wow.
I think we can now say they have integrated actions that are reserved for feats in D&D and integrated them into the rules so that anyone can attempt to do them. Run up a wall! So long as you have the actions, skills, and are not too overloaded. Those are the kind of things that should sell the game to older and younger gamers, hopefully. 8)
The AP is deducted from damage, as far as I know APs don't work against each other. I saw the dragon attacks with AP ratings, at least I suppose that was what AP meant, there. That I cannot explain for certain. It could be the amount of armor that a dragon's bite disregards, as in armor-piercing. Eek! If so that makes them nastier than ever. Half their POW in integrated runes. Eek again. :shock:
Wow, wow, wow.
Traditionally the AP next to a weapon is how much damage is blocked by a successful parry. The AP for armor is how much damage is blocked when that location is hit. So a dragon could parry with it's tail and block 8 points of damage then it would block another 12 for whatever location you hit.
I think it is important to note that there are not actually levels. Just guidelines on how powerful you might judge characters to be so you can tell if the challenge of a published adventure would be right for your group.
I think it is important to note that there are not actually levels. Just guidelines on how powerful you might judge characters to be so you can tell if the challenge of a published adventure would be right for your group.
yipwyg said:Experience Levels
Creatures
Dragon and Duck Stats.
I would appreciate if someone could explain to me how weapon AP vs Armor AP works. I do not remember if this is from old Runequest or if it is from the new version.
Thanks
These are from the monsters part of the main rulebook I hope, for a Gloranthan Dragon the one listed is tough for a dream dragon and weak for a true dragon.
One thing I have noted is the return of the d12 that was removed in 2ed and 3ed, sigh.
Combat also looks nastier now, increased chance of a chest hit.
Finslly s return to one set of hit locations, rather than the 2 from 3rd ed.
The AP's on the weapon charts match so you are most likely right about the number being the amount blocked on a successful parry. It seems kind of clunky and unnecessary, but I should be able to get used to it. Shields are going to be popular, I think. And dodging, if it works that way.
Overall the reviews look like I may have what I wanted, a game to read and enjoy, and play without a lot of houseruling. I can't say I am enthusiastic about all the design decisions but it looks wonderful compared to any other system currently in print.
Overall the reviews look like I may have what I wanted, a game to read and enjoy, and play without a lot of houseruling. I can't say I am enthusiastic about all the design decisions but it looks wonderful compared to any other system currently in print.
Promising
The Dragon has _huge_ armour, but at least it's not the rediculous 24 in the RQ-3 creature book. Duck and Dwarf have become rather large (six 9 average) and they've kept the 2d6+6 for average int that screws things up a bit (average stat 10 is more clear and universal).
Still, I must say it looks good.
Oh, and the dragon's firebreath fans out to an insane volume. Half of the length in diamiter? Just imagine how silly that will look. Easy enough to ignore though.
The Dragon has _huge_ armour, but at least it's not the rediculous 24 in the RQ-3 creature book. Duck and Dwarf have become rather large (six 9 average) and they've kept the 2d6+6 for average int that screws things up a bit (average stat 10 is more clear and universal).
Still, I must say it looks good.
Oh, and the dragon's firebreath fans out to an insane volume. Half of the length in diamiter? Just imagine how silly that will look. Easy enough to ignore though.
Interesting tidbits there by the way.
It looks like hitpoints have gone up significantly, by something like a factor of two. That is propably a good thing.
I'm still wondering if there will be any wounding penalties. I sure hope so. The lack of such was/is a major flaw in the earlier Rune Quest games.
[I mean penalties that come as soon as you are wounded, before any place has been reduced to 0 HP.]
It looks like hitpoints have gone up significantly, by something like a factor of two. That is propably a good thing.
I'm still wondering if there will be any wounding penalties. I sure hope so. The lack of such was/is a major flaw in the earlier Rune Quest games.
[I mean penalties that come as soon as you are wounded, before any place has been reduced to 0 HP.]
homerjsinnott
Mongoose
Awww crap! look what they have done to the game.
Running up walls? what kinda nonsense is that?
"there's someone at the door I hope it's not D&D"
Reducing Dwarfs Dex?
"hello D&D, ...what are you doing here?"
Breath flame 1/Hour? why not go the whole hog and make it 1/day.
"I'm afraid you can't, ...come out of there, I never said you could come in"
Double HP.
"D&D you're not going to stay are you? you are! Oh god!!!"
D12?
[sits holding head in hands, quietly weeping.]
Running up walls? what kinda nonsense is that?
"there's someone at the door I hope it's not D&D"
Reducing Dwarfs Dex?
"hello D&D, ...what are you doing here?"
Breath flame 1/Hour? why not go the whole hog and make it 1/day.
"I'm afraid you can't, ...come out of there, I never said you could come in"
Double HP.
"D&D you're not going to stay are you? you are! Oh god!!!"
D12?
[sits holding head in hands, quietly weeping.]
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Since when could D&D characters run up walls?homerjsinnott said:
Considering how skills are calculated in RQ, what difference does this actually make? A couple of percent here or there, a Strike Rank or two slower. In what way does it resemble D&D?
That's a good one, I'll agree...
As a former playtester, I can remember 2 different ways that could have come about, and neither have anything to do with D&D. I would have thought the complete lack of Total Hit Points would have been more noticeable...
What's wrong with the D12? RQ1 started out with the D12, you should be happy Mongoose is returning to the roots of RQ!
Wulf
estarriol, I usually play Stormbringer, in which a parry usually blocks all damage. I was comparing oranges and tangerines, or something like that. I understand now.
Buck up, guys! This is nowhere near D&D...I'd be outa here if it was. The hit points will be fine. I play another game with a similar weapon/hit point ratio, Fifth Cycle, and it works. The game looks modular enough to ignore bits you don't like, such as running up a *low* wall. Breath cones and such, well, do they make that much difference?
I think it looks really good.
Buck up, guys! This is nowhere near D&D...I'd be outa here if it was. The hit points will be fine. I play another game with a similar weapon/hit point ratio, Fifth Cycle, and it works. The game looks modular enough to ignore bits you don't like, such as running up a *low* wall. Breath cones and such, well, do they make that much difference?
I think it looks really good.
It all looks great BUT....that is not a dragon. A dragon can squash a whole army simply by yawning and rolling over in its sleep. They have such power that their dreams become manifest in the physical plane......Those statistics MUST be for a Dream Dragon......still, I cant wait!
homerjsinnott
Mongoose
Wulf Corbett said:
Acrobats in the old system, I'm sure there must be a feat out there somewhere, I mean if you can fall any distance and not take damage as a monk can...
Wulf Corbett said:
Dex rolls
Improvement rolls
Skill lvl
weapon that you can use
skill lvl ceilings for runepriest, socerers and shamans.
In RQ dwarfs had the same DEX as humans in D&D they don't.
Wulf Corbett said:
I missed that, Oh! you have only added to my misery!
Wulf Cobett said:
Whats wrong with 2D6? which fits better with all the other rolls.
Burdoc, don't forget that the MGP Runequest is an open-gaming-license product, which means it's specifically designed so that people can use the basic rule mechanics and adapt them to their own campaigns and settings. That means by definition most of the creatures and such in the core book will be a bit "setting-neutral" in that sense.
I fully expect that the Glorantha setting book will have more on True Dragons and such (in fact, it pretty much has to, being set in the time of the EWF!).
I fully expect that the Glorantha setting book will have more on True Dragons and such (in fact, it pretty much has to, being set in the time of the EWF!).
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Acrobats I bow to your knowledge. The rest... well, sounds like you're inventing problems to me!homerjsinnott said:
So, fewer acrobatic Dwarfs... sounds good to me.
Improving what? Skills are improved by rolling over the current skill.
'lvl'? What level are you talking about?
Fewer acrobatic rapier-wielding Dwarfs... better and better!
Assuming they still exist! And by that I mean both the DEX limits and the cult positions...
And now in RQ they don't either.
Pay close attention now, there's a quiz at the end!
But I repeat, what's wrong with the D12?
And these the arguments you have to damn the game? Sounds like you just wanted a verbatim reprint of the old system. It's not. You want the old one, fine, this is the new one. The world moves on. Do you want to move on with it? (that's the quiz, by the way)
Wulf
Since when do Dwarves in D&D have a lower Dex than humans? In the current 3.x rules Dwarves get +2 Con, -2 Cha. If anything they are making Dwarves different than D&D Dwarves.
I wondered about them not listing total HP. I though maybe they just left it out. If it is not in the game at all it makes me wonder even more about how the combat system is going to work.
I fully expected to get a different game than the older editions. So all of these changes will not change the fact that I am buying the books.
As for running up walls. There is a psionic feat in D&D that allows for it. As for RuneQuest, I seem to recall a Gloranthan hero that could throw a spear then jump on top of it and fly on the spear into battle. So running up a wall for a Hero is no big deal.
I wondered about them not listing total HP. I though maybe they just left it out. If it is not in the game at all it makes me wonder even more about how the combat system is going to work.
I fully expected to get a different game than the older editions. So all of these changes will not change the fact that I am buying the books.
As for running up walls. There is a psionic feat in D&D that allows for it. As for RuneQuest, I seem to recall a Gloranthan hero that could throw a spear then jump on top of it and fly on the spear into battle. So running up a wall for a Hero is no big deal.
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