whats the deal with mongoose
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McKinstry said:
Sorry, ain't true. I don't have the 55$ but I could have got 3.0 rules as well. Chose not to get one as I just sold my fow collection.
Piracy in ACTA happens. No point kidding yourself about it not happening. It's like being ostrich. Head in sand and pretend it doesn't happen.
McKinstry said:
Why you think GW would not make metal molds then to satisfy the demand? Cheap as hell for them so provided there's demand even GW is unlikely to be stupid enough not to.
Besides molds are likely good for another decade still.
INCORRECT! PDF's weren't released for free after new model releases were stopped. They were available lot sooner than that...
Greg Smith
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
You mean Adeptus Titanicus/ Space Marine/ Epic 40k ?
All of which were available in shops, and came as boxed games with no free rules.
Sure, the latest version has free rules. It doesn't exactly infringe on the sales in shops though does it? Or boost the sales of miniatures in shops?
Greg Smith said:
How it could not boost sales of miniatures in shop?-) Free good rules is excelent way to attract players to the game.
You think miniature sales happen magically without players getting drawn to game? Think again! To have miniature sales you need players. To get players you need them get interested on that. For that best advertisement ever designed is free rules.
Yeah so the 10+ year versions don't have free rules. So? Which you think average player is going to start up anyway? Old or new?
New player is considering ACTA. You think he's going to be more likely to pick up the Babylon 5 version instead of one of the current ones?
Lol.
It's newest rules that count. Old versions are dead and buried with only occasional players still playing it but sales are driven by the newest version. You don't see much of new players getting interested in Warhammer 5th ed do you? Now that FOW v3 is released you think V2 has much of attention from customers anymore?
Newest=the one customers choose as a rule of thumb.
Greg Smith
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
Because Epic Armageddon (and BFG, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, Inquisitor etc) are not available in shops. Only from GW's website.
billclo said:
Always happens, always within 2-3 days of release.
McKinstry said:
Putting your head into sand I see...
There's actually very simple and effective way to reduce piracy(it will never be killed off entirely like shoplifting won't be killed off). Simply put: Ensure product is available in digital format as well as physical product and do it a) quickly b) reasonable price c) customer-friendly(no stupid DRM's or anything. ONLY thing these manage to do is harm the paying customers. Pirates crack these things for breakfast and ask for more challenging one to keep them entertained for lunch).
Do this and you will have significant drop in piracy. What music/movie/whatever industry needs to realize is that they need to offer COMPETITIVE option. There's lots of people who have enough moral fiber that if given reasonable option to get products digitally they would take it but now either product is available lot later, pricing is reasonable or product is crappy to use(why pay for inferior product is basic idea of this...).
They will get it, eventually, when they realize they are burning money uselessly. When they realize they are hurting their own bottom lines(which is all they care about) they will start the change. Slow but steady. Meanwhile, customers are being hurt by their refusal to change in fear of change hurting their bottom lines.
edit: As a sidenote they also need to work on the SPEED issue on physical formats as well when it comes to licensing products. For example item that was available in country A last spring only started to be released in english this month...And that's 1 out of 3 dvd's. Last one will be available at summer. Pirated versions meanwhile have been available almost rightaway after original showing...This is NOT good way to fight against piracy.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
Its always an odd thing with miniature war games. Its very obvious is you are using non official models. With ACTA-SFB you have the ADB counters, ADB2400 ships and ACTA 2500 ships.
If you see someone with a fleet of cheap knock off model ships you know the guy is using fake rubbish.
But it never ceases to amaze me that people will spend hundreds of pounds on the "official" miniatures and then use a pirated scan of the rules. Its not as iff you don't get the cut down rules free in the fleet boxes and anyone serious is going to be dumping several hundred pounds on the models.
Still I have seen people turn up with entire armies of GW figures at £4-5 a figure for the rank and file and £10-20 a figure for the personalities (easily £250 + for the army) and have a dodgy scan of the codex or army book they downloaded somewhere. Very odd.
Personally I have a set of books for home where only I get to use them and no one else leaves grubby finger prints on them or coffee rings or makes notes on them :evil:
PDFs are for going to games with a laptop or tablet, lots of books and they all fit comfortably in a small backpack :lol:
With pen and paper type RPGs its the rule books people want, with miniatures war games its the miniatures that are important. I know people will say its because the rule books were late but in 6 months time when the rules are stacked high in shops and easy to get people will still be downloading scans of the books to go with their £100 fleets. :roll:
If you see someone with a fleet of cheap knock off model ships you know the guy is using fake rubbish.
But it never ceases to amaze me that people will spend hundreds of pounds on the "official" miniatures and then use a pirated scan of the rules. Its not as iff you don't get the cut down rules free in the fleet boxes and anyone serious is going to be dumping several hundred pounds on the models.
Still I have seen people turn up with entire armies of GW figures at £4-5 a figure for the rank and file and £10-20 a figure for the personalities (easily £250 + for the army) and have a dodgy scan of the codex or army book they downloaded somewhere. Very odd.
Personally I have a set of books for home where only I get to use them and no one else leaves grubby finger prints on them or coffee rings or makes notes on them :evil:
PDFs are for going to games with a laptop or tablet, lots of books and they all fit comfortably in a small backpack :lol:
With pen and paper type RPGs its the rule books people want, with miniatures war games its the miniatures that are important. I know people will say its because the rule books were late but in 6 months time when the rules are stacked high in shops and easy to get people will still be downloading scans of the books to go with their £100 fleets. :roll:
Captain Jonah" But it never ceases to amaze me that people will spend hundreds of pounds on the "official" miniatures and then use a pirated scan of the rules. Its not as iff you don't get the cut down rules free in the fleet boxes and anyone serious is going to be dumping several hundred pounds on the models. Still I have seen people turn up with entire armies of GW figures at £4-5 a figure for the rank and file and £10-20 a figure for the personalities (easily £250 + for the army) and have a dodgy scan of the codex or army book they downloaded somewhere. Very odd. :roll:[/quote said:
