What scale are the vehicle kits?

[Hiromoon]

It's not just the bases.... we're talking about a vehicle that's 12 feet wide, 26 feet long, and 7 feet 10 inches tall. Look at the guy kneeling next to the tank's right side (on our left). To the top of the chassis it's 5 feet 8 inches (at the tallest point).

 

[Mr Evil]

true and were looking at the tanks from a perspective were not used to ie from above, were looking down on them not up.

but the bases are adding nearly a foot to the troopers hieght !!!

 

[Old Bear]

As Adrian said, we are looking hard at the practicalities of reducing base depth on the miniatures. I fully expect we will be able to shave off at least 2mm from the depth and possibly a bit more.

 

[Mr Evil]

sounds good, weve had these slot bases for atleast the 18 years ive been gameing and painting, would be nice to move forward, was great to see a new base style from privateerpress, as lonf as the diameter is the same as traditional slotbases i cant see any problems and possably alot of people movinge to a new base type if its done right.

 

[CudaHP]

Of course the other answer would be to mount the MBTs etc. on a base the same thickness as the soldier figure bases. Then add acenery to the bases.

See problem solved :!: :!: :!: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Hiromoon]

The front of the tank doesn't look scaled to be 12 feet across though...

 

[Mr Evil]

hmmmm doese if you consider that the slot bases are 25mm wide as you could get 2 and a bit bases across the width id say !

 

[Col_stone]

I'm a bit sad they're 1/65 actually, as i have a few 1/56 vehicles already, and i have a creeping suspicion they wont mix well at all
The air units will probably look great in 1/65 tho, flying 1/48 and probaly 1/56 (i have only ever seen one helo in that scale tho and it's an apache) is probabaly a little too big for wargaming

 

[MDIvancic]

The Tanks are just to small compared to the troops. That really sucks.

Maybe the troops can be scaled down to match the tanks? Is Mongoose doing a GW and making the vehicle models smaller on purpose? Is it just to expensive to make vehicles the right size? 1/65 is just to small for 25mm scale troops.

Mike

 

[dyssnowman]

I don't think that they need to be scaled down to match the tanks as based on what Adrian said they already do match.

All the 'Evo stuff is scaled at near as dammit 1:65 scale. (based on a 186cm/ 6' guy being 28mm to the top of his head).

The bases making the men look too tall is something we are looking into.

The standard 25mm base is 4.5mm deep. At 1:65, this translates to 29.25cm. Like Mr. Evil said, that is an extra foot added to their height. Definitely enough to make things look seriously off.

As for the 1:56 scale minis, they really are pretty close. 30cm (roughly 1 foot) at 1:65 is approximately 0.46cm while at 1:56 it is approximately 0.53cm. That is less than a millimeter per foot difference, which makes it close enough in my book.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Col_stone]

hehe, good 2 cents, it'll prolly look alright as long as i buy all my abrams mbts from mongoose, and dont mix match brands

 

[Tathlum]

The front of the tank doesn't look scaled to be 12 feet across though...

Actually it does. Measure a standing guy on the screen and turn your ruler sideways. He goes half way across. Taking the soldier to be 6', it is scaled. Its an optical illusion because the base size is trowing it off big time. Basing the tank will sort out the height, but not the illusion of width.

Way to go 'goose, trying to minimize the bases rather than taking the lazy route and just basing the tank. It wouldn't make or break the game for me, but anything that can be done to solve the bases will be welcome.

 

[Hiromoon]

The average hieght of a human male isn't 6' though.. and they're squads of 6 ft tall people... well, what the heck?

 

[Chiwie]

The average hieght of a human male isn't 6' though.. and they're squads of 6 ft tall people... well, what the heck?

im taking a wild guess (im basing this of estimations, plz don't kill me if im horribly wrong on this one) here but a mil spec boot would add a inch or two two your hight??? ie from being 5 foot 8 inches tall to around 6ft????

 

[Hiromoon]

That might be streatching it, but it's plausible. It's just that the darn thing doesn't look right next to the infantry...

 

[Old Bear]

6 feet tall is a good mean point to work with on scale, though, which is why we chose it. As I'm 6' 4" tall it seems to me that 6' is a bit on the short side... :wink:

 

[Chiwie]

That might be streatching it, but it's plausible. It's just that the darn thing doesn't look right next to the infantry...

i get what you mean, the base throws things off

just do what im going to do, base my tanks OR rebase the Inf. what ever is the easiest option

 

[DM]

I spent a day a week or so ago with an M1 ona test track in the US and it doesn't look big enough compared with the infantry.

But then I've noticed this before. My 15mm Vietnam figures look too big compared with 15mm vehicles (which I know are correctly scaled together) whereas they look just right with 1/87 Roco minitanks. Its all a question of perception. We expect tanks to be massive, so a slightly oversized model appears to be correct.

(I'll probably end up using 15mm for Evo if I get into it, which seems likely )

 

[Hiromoon]

What's interesting, and I read an web article on figures and scale..and this is an small bit from it:

Scales and Compatibility
I have seen frequent requests on news groups regarding scales. There is a fairly easy way to figure scales. This allows you to figure out which scale of buildings or vehicles are suitable for which range of figures. To calculate a fractional scale such as 1/285 it is necessary to adopt a height that is usual for a man. Most figures available seem to fall into the description of taller slimmer figure. Few manufactures make short, fat riflemen for example. The figure I have settled on is 5'10" as being an average height for a soldier.

Because figure height are given in millimeters we have to convert this 5'10" to millimeters. Many figures are measured as height to top of head, some to eye level. It is best to measure an actual figure to head height (just figure where the top of the head is if he's wearing a hat). All manufacturers will send you a sample if you haven't bought anything yet.

5'10" is 1776. 1776 mm is the conversion figure. If you feel your figures are taller than 5'10" you should use a bigger number such as 6' or 1828 mm. (The figure is arrived at by multiplying the height in inches by 25.4)

If you consider that 5'10" is an average and accept a variance of 2" either side then the results can also be in this range (+ or - 3%). As far as buildings and vehicles are concerned I personally feel that + or - 10% does not look bad on the table.

What you do to get a fractional scale is divide your conversion figure by the figure height. So, looking at one of my Britannia 20 mm GI's he is 23 mm tall, allowing for the fact he is crouching a little. So 1776 /23 is 77 and a little bit. So that means his fractional scale is 1/77. That is why he looks proportional to all those 1/76 th scale tanks I have for him.

Now this works both ways. I found a 1/60 th scale model of a Rolls Royce car and was wondering if it would look out of place outside my British Embassy in Morocco for the Red Shadow's Desert Fantasy World.

So 1776 / 60 is 29 . That means a 5'10" dude would be 29 mm at 1/60 th scale. My French Foreign Legion are 28 mm tall, so that's within may acceptable range.

All you've got to do is remember 1776

1776 divided by figure height gives you a fractional scale

1776 divided by the fractional scale gives you a figure height.

Doing some conversions from figures from my collection we end up with

6 mm 1/296 th
9 mm 1/197 th
10 mm 1/178 th
15 mm 1/118 th
18 mm 1/99 th
20 mm 1/89 th
23 mm 1/77 th
25 mm 1/71 th
28 mm 1/63 rd
54 mm 1/33 rd

As you can see, most of these figures fall within a few percent of commonly available models. Most 15 mm W.W.II figure are actually nearer 18 mm in figure height so are also referred to as 1/100 th These do not look out of place with HO scale buildings (1/87th scale). 20 mm W.W.II figures are usually around 23 mm (1/77 th) and don't look out of place with British Rail Road scale OO scale buildings (1/76). My Skytrex action 200 tanks (1/200 th) look fine with Z Scale buildings (1/220) The smaller the scale greater the tolerance that looks OK)

So, we need a 1/63rd Abrams to look about right....

 

[Tathlum]

The average hieght of a human male isn't 6' though.. and they're squads of 6 ft tall people... well, what the heck?

True, but the scale assumes they are, so thats the measure I used.

Lets see what Mongoose come up with for the bases on the troops. Hopefully a bit off the bases will allay the worst of the optical illusion. The other option would be to change the relative size, but then they won't be scaled.

It does look wrong, but fingers crossed for the base solution. I can live with them being a bit out to be honest. As DM says the small size messes up our perceptions of it.

Sorry Hiromoon, didnt see your post (cross posted). But do we know exactly how big the troops are in mm. 30mm scale varies lots (as Im sure most of us know).