what book are the stats for the K'Tan in?
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Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Blu_Majik said:
Same model, but twice the cheese. All K'Tans should be painted with cheese wedge badges on the sides and enormous brown beards made of wire wool underneath the forward hull...
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Yeah, but it has a lot more firepower than it should have at skirmish level. At least the Ka'toc comes with the 1AD-TD-always-misses stigma.
Lord David the Denied said:
Its because of that weapon system that Narn players, take the Ka'Tan. Remember, tht damage output on that beam weapon, is the same as the triple damage weapon, since on average you score more hits with the 2AD beam.
As mentioned in earlier threads, the 1AD trip dam weapons blow, as they rare hit, and barely get following up rolls. Last night, I played CTA scenario with 3 W/S and only one managed to get one re-roll.
Also remember, its a fast moving ship, with 1 45 degree turn, so its got a wide turning circle.
As for cheese, the ship is not cheesey. It's just at the top end of its class, and getting a pack of them together and they can be a nightmare.
I think that cheese is mild cheddar compared to the sags, prefects, and tertius! :wink:
ka'tans are just as broken as those ships. the ka'atn on its own outguns a prefects beams, but you get 2 for that price.
so even if you lose init you get 4AD of beams on it, if you win you can get 8AD. and the fighters you have able to get behind it too. plus 8AD all round firepower. the ka'tan has beter firepower than most raid ships (the same as a hyperion with greater range on one of the lasers).
so even if you lose init you get 4AD of beams on it, if you win you can get 8AD. and the fighters you have able to get behind it too. plus 8AD all round firepower. the ka'tan has beter firepower than most raid ships (the same as a hyperion with greater range on one of the lasers).
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
It's got enough firepower to be a raid ship at least. 8AD of pulse cannons in every arc, admittedly at short range, on top of the 4AD of beams, is too much for a skirmish ship. Given that it's so low level you won't see them alone, so initiative sinking will mean there's at least one of them firing its over-powered main armament every turn.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
...and the Hyperion has the same amount of BORESIGHT beams at RAID level. How hard is this point to get across? The Ka'Tan has almost the same firepower as a Hyperion for half the cost. This makes it a very broken ship.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Reaverman said:
didn't you say the bat squad was undefeated (except by shadows) and yet you say it is only mild cheddar?
Reaverman said:
well if the prefect all stops cos its in range that means you must be within 25" so use your 10" range to get your second ship into 15" and fire both lasers, with more firepower than the prefect shooting back at you.
and thats if you lose init
win it and like i said you get 8AD onto target.That is true for all races "bat squads". It is a fact that squads of small ships pretty much always beat large ships. My Strikehawk/Vaarl team is also undefeated, winning Hash's tournament a couple of weeks ago... yet few people would say the Strikehawk is overpowered.emperorpenguin said:
katadder said:Reaverman said:
well if the prefect all stops cos its in range that means you must be within 25" so use your 10" range to get your second ship into 15" and fire both lasers, with more firepower than the prefect shooting back at you.
and thats if you lose init
Yes of course, cos that's all you do in your games. Park your ships nose to nose, and blast each other to bits!
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
It's what the "beam team" is best at, apparently...
Blu_Majik
Mongoose
i've not long started playing again and may stating the obvious here but as a newbie it looks pretty obvious that with all the boresighted weapons Narn deploy you would be very silly not to take your best skirmish level ships to help with initiative and targetting for the bigger ships. i've not played much but having looked at burgers ship viewer the Ka'Tan does look like a nice little ship but IMO there will still be a place for the Ka'Toc. it may be a little hit and miss next to the Ka'Tan but when it does hit the Mag Gun looks tasty! also these ships are not very manoeuverable so a surely a fleet made mostly of Ka'Tans would be easily flanked or outmanouvered by most other ships? i would allways like to have a couple of Thensus, Sho'Kar or G'Karith in there too.
i'll go with the mild chedder :wink:
i'll go with the mild chedder :wink:
