Viewing Battleship memorials using Google Earth

Yeah, that worked. Here is the link. It looks alot like a toy ant farm, to be sure. Are they all waiting to go to the loo, or what? :lol: It looks like a protest, or ceremony. Anyway, you said you didn't know how to use it. It's easy. Go to Google's home page and click the map option at the top. once you find what you are looking for, hit the "link to this page" in the upper right area of the monitor. When it updates, the web address info will change so that you can copy it as a link here. You can also just grab any of the previous locations saved in this topic and double-right click to zoom out until you can drag the map to where you want. To zoom in of course, double-left click.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...8253,-0.128081&spn=0.000823,0.004233&t=h&om=1
 
BuShips said:
I posted the previous before I saw your latest response. So, were you there selling scones, or what? :lol:
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If that red carpet was for me, they forgot to send the invitation..

Slightly back on topic, has anyone ever found a ship in mid-ocean? I guess it would be on low-res (like my house :cry: ), but I've never found one...

Wulf
 
You can see my house from here... Right where the arrow points!

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Allanton,+North+Lanarkshire,+ML7,+UK&ie=UTF8&z=14&ll=55.806153,-3.834314&spn=0.022912,0.086517&t=h&om=1

Wulf
 
Here's Patriot's Point http://www.patriotspoint.org/content3.asp?catID=3229 near Charleston South Carolina (US). It has a sub and 3 ships.

YORKTOWN (CV-10)
LAFFEY (DD-724)
INGHAM (WHEC-35)
CLAMAGORE (SS-343)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=isle+of+palms+sc&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=32.790025,-79.909304&spn=0.005168,0.012124&t=k&om=1

For a good climb up climb down workout, take the whole tour of all the ships. :)

Nezeray
 
nezeray said:
Here's Patriot's Point http://www.patriotspoint.org/content3.asp?catID=3229 near Charleston South Carolina (US). It has a sub and 3 ships.

YORKTOWN (CV-10)
LAFFEY (DD-724)
INGHAM (WHEC-35)
CLAMAGORE (SS-343)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=isle+of+palms+sc&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=32.790025,-79.909304&spn=0.005168,0.012124&t=k&om=1

For a good climb up climb down workout, take the whole tour of all the ships. :)

Nezeray
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Good job there, Nezeray. As you probably know, that's the second WW2 carrier named Yorktown, as the first was sunk at the Battle of Midway. It is a refitted Essex class, which was probably the largest single class of fast fleet carrier ever built (at least in WW2). It was a very successful design, but in WW2 didn't have the improved feature of the angled flight deck. Heck, I can't think of a single WW2 carrier that didn't have a straight flight deck. We look at that now as a "no brainer", but I guess good ideas take some time to be developed out. I don't even think the extremely large Midway class was fitted out with an angled deck until after the war was over and jets were added to the inventory. (bit of time passing to search for info- tick tick tick... :wink: ). OK, it seems a Brit named Campbell invented the angled flight deck (cool), but the first ship to sport it was CV-36, USS Antietam (Heh, no patent? :wink: ). Interesting, as I never knew that but most of my reading has been WW2 stuff.
 
I was trying to tell my wife about the benefits of the angled deck, but honestly can't remember then.

Feel free to refresh my memory. :)

Nezeray
 
nezeray said:
I was trying to tell my wife about the benefits of the angled deck, but honestly can't remember then.

Feel free to refresh my memory. :)

Nezeray
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Just tell her it helps when drunken pilots try to land :lol: . You see, by having a landing deck that's already crooked... ahh skip it; it wasn't that funny :roll:

If your question was real and wasn't a tease, I'll try a "dry" answer-

First, by angling the rear deck area, you can prevent a crash into parked aircraft when a landing attempt has to be aborted. I think they call it a "bolter" or something like that. If they don't catch any arresting cables, they need to hit the throttle very quickly to gain the altitude needed to clear the front area on a straight deck. In WW2, they would put up a net (like a tennis net) sometimes to stop the plane before it crashed into planes that had already landed. Now, when you angle the deck you can bolter the plane off to the left side and more safely clear the deck if you need to go around another time to land. The second advantage is that you can carry on with launching and landing operations at the same time by splitting the deck into two areas. This could never be done with a single straight deck. The third advantage is you can dedicate the center area on the deck for parking and rearming planes now that the deck doesn't follow-through. It's rather interesting that no WW2 carriers had an angled deck as it seems so simple now. Just to make it even seem absurdly strange that no one thought of the idea and that they got close is that in the USN open deck carriers such as the original carrier Yorktown (CV-5) they could launch scout aircraft while landing other planes. What was done however was not an angled deck, but a side catapult down in the hull (in an opening in the side of the ship) that slung the plane sideways. I'll bet that was a load of fun (not!). It's pretty much the same method as launching floatplanes from cruisers, except the SBD scout was not a floatplane (heh). If you didn't get airborn, you got submarine pay (get it?) :lol: .
 
IIRC the side cats on the Yorktown class CVs were rarely used for just the reasons you suggest (a good way for the pilot to get an early bath!). I think they were used in extremis, or to clear the hangar when disembarking aircraft. They were rarel sed operationally since the short length of the cat meant the aircraft had to launch in a light condition.

The other great British invention that facilitates modern carrier ops was of course the mirror landing sight. Again, no patent, but I think at that stage the RN (and the UK in general) was more interested in sharing good ideas with its Allies (such as jet engines, tail desighns to facilitate supersonic flight, etc. :) )
 
BuShips said:
nezeray said:
Here's Patriot's Point http://www.patriotspoint.org/content3.asp?catID=3229 near Charleston South Carolina (US). It has a sub and 3 ships.

YORKTOWN (CV-10)
LAFFEY (DD-724)
INGHAM (WHEC-35)
CLAMAGORE (SS-343)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=isle+of+palms+sc&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=32.790025,-79.909304&spn=0.005168,0.012124&t=k&om=1

For a good climb up climb down workout, take the whole tour of all the ships. :)

Nezeray
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Good job there, Nezeray. As you probably know, that's the second WW2 carrier named Yorktown, as the first was sunk at the Battle of Midway. It is a refitted Essex class, which was probably the largest single class of fast fleet carrier ever built (at least in WW2). It was a very successful design, but in WW2 didn't have the improved feature of the angled flight deck. Heck, I can't think of a single WW2 carrier that didn't have a straight flight deck. We look at that now as a "no brainer", but I guess good ideas take some time to be developed out. I don't even think the extremely large Midway class was fitted out with an angled deck until after the war was over and jets were added to the inventory. (bit of time passing to search for info- tick tick tick... :wink: ). OK, it seems a Brit named Campbell invented the angled flight deck (cool), but the first ship to sport it was CV-36, USS Antietam (Heh, no patent? :wink: ). Interesting, as I never knew that but most of my reading has been WW2 stuff.
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Funny you should mention the Midway as I'm going to be touring her this sunday. :D You're right about her being refitted; originally she had a straight flight deck. She was then refitted with an angled deck and even llater with an enlarged deck. She was also the longest serving carrier in history. I think 1946-2002, 56 years?
 
DM is correct. I also knew that info, but my post was getting lengthy and I figured nobody would probably point that out. Go figure :wink:

Sgt. Brassones, I do believe you are corrct as well. I'm fairly sure the Midway is the longest serving carrier in USN inventory. BTW, another Brit invention for carriers was the armored flight deck (anybody remember that little fact?), and Midway was the first US implementation of any amount of protection for the flight deck. While at first you might think the US stupidly didn't have armor for carriers, that's not the case as they just put it elsewhere, at the hanger deck level. If Wikipedia has its info right, there is too much to paste it here but what they have is interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_deck
 
Oh, here is the USS Hornet, CV-12 (but you can read that # for yourself, heh). It's a museum in Alameda, Calif.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...31,-122.302358&spn=0.003761,0.006716&t=k&om=1

The lone cargo ship vaguely looked like a WW2 Liberty ship, but it probably wasn't one. From my model collection, the outline sort of looked that way, but non-military ships are much harder to figure out, if not impossible. As I knew there were only like two left, I remembered the name of the last unaltered from original (and restored) Liberty ship, the S.S. Jeremiah O'Brien. I found it at Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco. It looks like it has a WW2 sub next to it, as well. As a last bit of trivia, did you notice that I didn't call it the "U.S.S.", but instead preceeded the ship's name with "S.S."?


Here is the S.S. Jeremiah O'Brien-

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...21,-122.417066&spn=0.003759,0.006716&t=k&om=1
 
BuShips said:
First, by angling the rear deck area, you can prevent a crash into parked aircraft when a landing attempt has to be aborted. I think they call it a "bolter" or something like that...
... Now, when you angle the deck you can bolter the plane off to the left side and more safely clear the deck if you need to go around another time to land.
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Has anyone, ever, anywhere, built a carrier with an angled deck to the RIGHT? I remember two of the WW2 Japanese carriers (Soryu & Hiryu?) being built mirror-imaged so they could sail close to one another and have the aircraft approach paths mirrored to keep the formation close.

Wulf
 
BuShips said:
nezeray said:
I was trying to tell my wife about the benefits of the angled deck, but honestly can't remember then.

Feel free to refresh my memory. :)

Nezeray
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Just tell her it helps when drunken pilots try to land :lol: . You see, by having a landing deck that's already crooked... ahh skip it; it wasn't that funny :roll:

If your question was real and wasn't a tease, I'll try a "dry" answer-

First, by angling the rear deck area, you can prevent a crash into parked aircraft when a landing attempt has to be aborted. I think they call it a "bolter" or something like that. If they don't catch any arresting cables, they need to hit the throttle very quickly to gain the altitude needed to clear the front area on a straight deck. In WW2, they would put up a net (like a tennis net) sometimes to stop the plane before it crashed into planes that had already landed. Now, when you angle the deck you can bolter the plane off to the left side and more safely clear the deck if you need to go around another time to land. The second advantage is that you can carry on with launching and landing operations at the same time by splitting the deck into two areas. This could never be done with a single straight deck. The third advantage is you can dedicate the center area on the deck for parking and rearming planes now that the deck doesn't follow-through. It's rather interesting that no WW2 carriers had an angled deck as it seems so simple now. Just to make it even seem absurdly strange that no one thought of the idea and that they got close is that in the USN open deck carriers such as the original carrier Yorktown (CV-5) they could launch scout aircraft while landing other planes. What was done however was not an angled deck, but a side catapult down in the hull (in an opening in the side of the ship) that slung the plane sideways. I'll bet that was a load of fun (not!). It's pretty much the same method as launching floatplanes from cruisers, except the SBD scout was not a floatplane (heh). If you didn't get airborn, you got submarine pay (get it?) :lol: .
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Thanks for the refresh. I was telling her that, however when I was standing on the deck, I noticed that the landing path WAS angled. It's just not as angled as a newer carrier. On the straight deck there wouldn't be room to park many aircraft out of the way.

Nezeray
 
nezeray said:
Thanks for the refresh. I was telling her that, however when I was standing on the deck, I noticed that the landing path WAS angled. It's just not as angled as a newer carrier. On the straight deck there wouldn't be room to park many aircraft out of the way.

Nezeray
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I always regarded the feature's best strength in that you could launch as well as recover at the same time. For instance, you would have to recover all of the planes from a straight-deck carrier before you could use the deck for launching. So you were vulnerable while you were in that mode. You had better have already had a sufficient CAP in the air because you could not launch anything more until the last plane landed. The angled deck carrier took away that shall I say "straight-jacket"? :wink:
 
I just stumbled over a rare find, and one that I didn't know about. I hadn't thought any of the Tribal class destroyers had survived, but they have one survivor in Canada: the HMCS HAIDA. I'd like to visit her, someday! She's a beaut!

She is the last remaining example of the 27 Tribal Class destroyers built for the Royal Canadian Navy, the Royal Navy and the Royal Australian Navy between 1937 and 1945.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...9,-79.855875&spn=0.003464,0.008465&iwloc=addr
 
This is a really cool thread that I think everybody coming to this forum would be interested in. Any chance we could sticky it?
 
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