Twiddling my thumbs until August?

[DoomOnYou72]

a)the initaial releases are(in my understanding)aimed at the "outside" of the already existing SST players, and the movie and the book are far more reckognized than the kid series. plus, "cannon fodder" and "walking tanks" are very urk..vocab fails me at this hour...profound? playing styles, while pami are in the middle-they lack the numbers of the lames,but they don't have the sheer brutality of the cavalry...urk, exosuits. so there.
b)most players who play pami already have them, so no need to rush things.
c) both lami and exos are one of the better sculpts fro the range, while pami are..well, nothing special.better to show off early.

I disagree. This will only tend to alienate even more of the exsisting players that still remain. Many if not most of the players from the beginning will have PAMI armies. There is already enough hard feelings in the player base why aggrevate it? If they are aiming outside the exsisting players then fine thats is their choice. The thing that should be kept in mind though is that in alot of stores the exsisting players will be the deciding factor in whether to stock the product or not with the previous track record of the game. The going discount that I usually see nowadays is anywhere from 25-50 % off which dosnt mean the retailer is happy now does it?

 

[Proteus454]

It was certainly our intention to put the full stats in the rulebook for players of the original game. However, it quickly became apparent they just weren't going to fit!

So, we will be releasing them as a free PDF download.

Hmm, fair enough. Just so long as my "skimpy background" fears are allayed, and I'd certainly hate to think it was a toss-up between stats in hard print and that hardcore background I've been craving.

 

[Rob_A]

Its all well and good having free PDF downloads, but what about those without internet? :?

 

[Col_stone]

Its all well and good having free PDF downloads, but what about those without internet? :?

There are people without internet access?

 

[JoseDominguez]

Its all well and good having free PDF downloads, but what about those without internet? :?

I say screw them, and the Amish.






I'm kidding, it's just that neither group will know I'm having a go at them (unless someone tells them that is )

I'm sure even those without net access know someone who does have net access and can therefore still get free downloads (even if it's just a photocopy).

 

[Poko]

Many if not most of the players from the beginning will have PAMI armies.

hint,hint! if they already have the bloody pami, then they can very well do without the pre-painted versions and wait those few months till they'r released, right?
it's impossible to release all things at once(unfortuatly ), so bug players wil l have to do without king tankers for a while, skinnies without the guards and mi without the pami. think about the poor forth players, they won't even have the earlier models to proxy with :lol:

 

[JoseDominguez]

I think it's the rules to use them people are more interested in

 

[DoomOnYou72]

Many if not most of the players from the beginning will have PAMI armies.

hint,hint! if they already have the bloody pami, then they can very well do without the pre-painted versions and wait those few months till they'r released, right?

The reason is unless they have totally changed the rules the bloody PAMI are much more versatile in the game versus the bloody LAMI. The LAMI need all their assets (such as emplacements) to become a useful, if harder to play force. After Klendathu came out where your from how many players switched to LAMI? Here a couple tried them and promptly went back to Power Armor troops. Hell mine got thrown in a box for the rebel army I never got around to. I think the EXOs are a good initial release becuase game wise they can be quite effective by themselves and they are the closest thing we have to the book for that group of players. .Hint, Hint! I doubt the new players from "outside" the remaining core players are going to like having the LAMI getting beaten routinely by the older core units.

@Jose yeah I agree what most of the exsisting players want is the rules. But on the same hand we also want new players and to hopefully maybe attract back the ones that left.

 

[Poko]

you are,of course,aware that until the army lists are released there will be no platoons, so the lami and exos will be fielded together? and they compliment each other rather well.
plus, face it, SST didn't fare badly because of the rules, but because of too many crappy minis. exos and lami being one of the better sculpts.
most ppl i'v talked to said that the pami are looking funny and are,all in all, uninspiring. versalite or not, they aren't game-sellers like exos and to an extent lami are.

 

[Turtle]

Well the minis did a good job of representing what they were supposed to from the show. But that's about all they did.

If you notice, it's the miniatures that Mongoose made for the game itself that look the best, probably because they were free to pursue their own artistic designs. For example, I think the assassin bug is one of th ebest looking bugs in the game, it still adheres to the look of the arachnids.

In my animation studies, trying to adhere too closely to the model just takes the life out of a drawing. And often, in the transition from artwork to miniature, things need to be pushed further to an extent to help get the point accross.

A lot of those low dumps on the warrior bug detail is just plain lost.

Then there were all those models released just to fit into the show, which was a bad idea. A lot of designs for the kids show were pretty dumbed down, and then at the same time the stats that came up for these variants were too much like another version of the warrior.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Warrior, tanker, plasma, LAMI, ripplers, hoppers, marauders etc... some of the best models and were all based on the film/show.
The assassin bugs were pretty much based on the real praying mantis anyway, so that never grabbed me.

It's all a matter of personal taste, those are my favourites and I feel they are the best looking models, as for 'new' sculpts the Exos and overseer were excellent. But otherwise it's a mixed bag.

 

[tneva82]

First time around Mongoose chose PAMI as a compromise between movie and book MI. There were constant requests on these boards for movie MI and book powersuits.

Now its the other way around.

People will always find something to complain...

Do this, people complain. Do that, people complain.

If Mongoose had released EVERYTHING at once people would still complain.

 

[tneva82]

I definitely like the Pami, especially since I have 64 of them (4 box sets... don't ask). It seems odd that, as far as we know, the PAMI aren't represented in stats release. They're probably the most common MI type that players have.

Players who already have them can use the stats Mongoose will release as PDF...The wave release concerns mainly people who wants to BUY them...

You have cap trooppers? Why not use them? You don't HAVE to buy new ones you know... :lol:

I disagree. This will only tend to alienate even more of the exsisting players that still remain. Many if not most of the players from the beginning will have PAMI armies.

So you can't buy more prepainted PAMI initially is going to piss you further off...How?

*shrug*If I had PAMI but no LAMI(of course I have both but in theory) I would be more interested to get LAMI first as PAMI I already have. No need to buy more. LAMI I don't have and ergo I would rather get them first so I could play with both units ASAP and not just with PAMI which I already had and now have to wait around until they release something new for me to buy*shrug*

Just me of course. Some people of course might be interested to replace their models with prepainted of course and those might vary.

 

[DoomOnYou72]

So you can't buy more prepainted PAMI initially is going to piss you further off...How?

*shrug*If I had PAMI but no LAMI(of course I have both but in theory) I would be more interested to get LAMI first as PAMI I already have. No need to buy more. LAMI I don't have and ergo I would rather get them first so I could play with both units ASAP and not just with PAMI which I already had and now have to wait around until they release something new for me to buy*shrug*

Just me of course. Some people of course might be interested to replace their models with prepainted of course and those might vary.

Same as you I already have both, and bugs, and skinnies, and exos. Hell I have 10 built maruaders and 5 more to build if I ever get around to it. In my second post I already stated its a gameplay issue (my opinion as I disagree with Poko). To me it seems the PAMI are a more versatile troops choice and will still form the mainstay of MI armies unless MP has really changed the game. Which honestly I dont know if they have or not. On a side not Alienate does not= Piss off. It just means not have any intrest or supporting the game. The only thing they have done to piss me off is to drop support for the game and not follow through with Dropships as promised.

 

[mike403]

How long have we been waiting for drop ships now? a year and a half?
There are more important concerns like how are the figs going to be based? the same size as BF EVO? (smaller bases with a sand top)
Will the old army lists be usable with the new rules?
i would like to see a FAQ page on the forum so you can give us some clarity about the future plans about SST. It might make things a tad clearer and may even win back some of the gamers that have lost faith in your recent disscissions.

 

[Turtle]

Actually, all that's supposed to be revealed in either the next Signs & Portents download coming sometime on or after this Thursday, (March 1st).

But for now I can answer your question based on things Mongoose staffers have officially stated on these forums.

No idea on the basing so far.

The models will be the same size as in original SST.

All of the old models will have new stats available for free download in S&P upon the game's release, if not sooner.

And on that topic, they've said that they plan to release the stats for the wave 1 SSTE models soon. Which we've taken to mean in this upcoming news update on SSTE.

A little up in this topic should be a list of wave 1 models.

It included LAMI, Exos, Warriors, Tankers, I forget which skinny units. It also includes stats for the new Forth units.

 

[tneva82]

To me it seems the PAMI are a more versatile troops choice and will still form the mainstay of MI armies unless MP has really changed the game.

Well new players can mix&match the types so if LAMI's are alone lacking add in some exosuits. Old gamers have needed tools to begin with to make LAMI work alone.

The only thing they have done to piss me off is to drop support for the game and not follow through with Dropships as promised.

Drop support? Ummm...Let's see...What do you call improved rules and new sculpts(including those drop ships) that are coming?

Dunno about you but I would call that support...Afterall we are getting new models and even improved ruleset. What more could you ask for?

 

[tneva82]

It also includes stats for the new Forth units.

Groovy btw! If these are included in the wave 1 stats preview then that's going to be most interesting part of said preview

Finally some concrete Forth stats for public eyes!

 

[Turtle]

Well, he's right to be angry, the game did go on haitus for at least 6 months or so. There might have been some releases in that time, but they were few and far between, not enough to get new player interest.

I wasn't around for that time, too busy with other stuff so I'm not so angry. But, we'll all see what's in store for SSTE when the news comes out.

I'm not sure if the Forth stats will be included or not, he just said wave 1. Whether that's wave 1 of original SST models, or wave 1 of everything.

 

[Poko]

well,imo it's wave one of the SSTE stuff,so all of it.