Traveller Developer's Pack
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Gruffty the Hiver
Banded Mongoose
I'm pretty sure people are required to use the map in the developers' pack.EDG said:
RandyT0001
Mongoose
According to my copy of the Foreven Free Sector Logo License v1 in the Appendix I, section 7:
So it appears you can create a new map. However you must remember what is in section 4:
Hope that answers yo questions.
So it appears you can create a new map. However you must remember what is in section 4:
Hope that answers yo questions.
Vile
Banded Mongoose
Making the sector stand alone could work quite well for a sort of proto-Traveller setting. You could squish the whole OTU into a downsized mini universe, with all the major and a few minor races occupying subsectors rather than sectors, systems rather than subsectors.
BTW, what I was trying to say in my last post (before being rudely interrupted by Valentine's Day) was thet the TLL requires your products to state "requires the use of Traveller" - I don't think it is any more specific than that. Presumably the intention is to increase MGT sales by getting purchasers of 3rd party products to also buy Mongoose products. The reference is compulsory advertising, so I don't think there is a problem with telling people they have to buy High Guard, Beltstrike, or whatever in order to get the most out of your book. The SRD only limits what goes into your book, not what you can refer people to - if you wanted to, you could say that this book requires the use of the Oxford Dictionary, as far as I can see.
Oops, and now I've gone and stuck my oar in where clarification from Mongoose is what people want. I am not a lawyer, I'm just married to one. :wink:
BTW, what I was trying to say in my last post (before being rudely interrupted by Valentine's Day) was thet the TLL requires your products to state "requires the use of Traveller" - I don't think it is any more specific than that. Presumably the intention is to increase MGT sales by getting purchasers of 3rd party products to also buy Mongoose products. The reference is compulsory advertising, so I don't think there is a problem with telling people they have to buy High Guard, Beltstrike, or whatever in order to get the most out of your book. The SRD only limits what goes into your book, not what you can refer people to - if you wanted to, you could say that this book requires the use of the Oxford Dictionary, as far as I can see.
Oops, and now I've gone and stuck my oar in where clarification from Mongoose is what people want. I am not a lawyer, I'm just married to one. :wink:
dmccoy1693
Cosmic Mongoose
Rikki Tikki Traveller said:
I highly recommend paying a lawyer to give you a difinitive on that.
Gruffty the Hiver
Banded Mongoose
OK, so I missed that bit about making your own map.....thanks for the pointer, Randy.RandyT0001 said:
dmccoy1693
Cosmic Mongoose
EDG said:
1) Its not Matt's job to answer every question someone has about the OGL/TLL, esp when there are TONS of information available for free on the internet about the OGL itself and how most compatability licenses work. Its been around for almost a decade and there are about a dozen compatability licenses that use it, all of which work in a similar fashion. Learning what you can do with one can help you to understand what you can do with another.
2) The best answer someone'll get on here is a simple yes or no. Paying a lawyer gives the lawyer time to explain to you precisely what you can and cannot do so you do not have to keep asking questions.
dmccoy1693
Cosmic Mongoose
me said:
kristof65 said:
The safest approach when you're dealing with non-OGC book is to pretend they do not exist.
kristof65 said:
Well, considering that all of the monsters in the SRD comprise 95% of the Monster Manual and that the d20 license allowed for a way to refer to the Monster Manual, a closer example would be if you referred to something in MM 2. See how that turned out for Fast Forward Entertainment (link 1) (link 2).
Paying a lawyer simply gives you the lawyer's interpretation of the licenses - which, may or may not be the same interpretation Mongoose's lawyers have of the same license. If those two interpretations don't agree, you may be headed to court - which is what asking a question is usually trying to avoid in the first place.dmccoy1693 said:
Sometimes all a question needs is a yes/no answer. In any event, asking the questions here gives Mongoose an idea of what is clear and what isn't - even if they don't answer.
Understood. But there are certain types of books that are allowed under the OGL and TLL that would benefit both themselves, and Mongoose by not pretending the non-OGC book doesn't exist.dmccoy1693 said:
Hypothetical example - say I write a Traveller Star Ship combat game for playing out the combats with minis. Let's also assume it doesn't use anything from the game that isn't OGC - which is the way it should be. Let's also say that because lots of Traveller starships are out there already, the book doesn't contain any ship designs, knowing that a Traveller fan can pick up one of several books and use the ships from there.
Under the TLL, all I can mention is the TMB. But ships in three other known supplements - Traders & Gunboats and High Guard, plus the forth coming Fighting Ships are all useable with the game. A statement like "For additional ship designs, see Mongoose's books High Guard, etc, etc" would be beneficial to both the sale of the starship game, and to Mongoose.
So, without using content from a book, can one refer to it?
The FFE situation is different - they actually used non-OGC content, which is not what I'm asking about. I'm simply asking about refering to a non-OGC book as a helpful reference.
Here's what it comes down to - from my background, experiences with licenses, the law, etc, I beleive I can do this under their license. If I have to pay a lawyer to give me an interpretation of it, I'm fairly confident I'll get a yes. However, I can't pay a lawyer to look at it until/if a) the HG material becomes OGC* and b) I'm finished and showing him exactly what I want to do. Whereas a simple yes/no answer here clears up a lot of things.
*This is part of the crux of things - my setting currently needs ships larger than 2000 tons, and as I read things right now, the design sequences for ships over 2000 tons are not currently OGC. So all of this is moot if that never changes. I'm assuming in the spirit of Traveller, that Mongoose will rectify that little issue as soon as they can.
starbright
Mongoose
This is so cool, I've been looking for a way to add stats to the sci fi designs I do for years.
Including the space ship construction rules was essential for me.
Including the space ship construction rules was essential for me.
Vile said:
Being worked on - turning High Guard into an SRD is _much_ more work than Mercenary. . .
A hell of a lot more rules
