Thousand Ton Traders

[F33D]

It's too bad it's not in any easily accessed errata or location so everyone can be on the little secret.

Errata is backlogged by several years unfortunately. Don is working on it.

 

[Reynard]

Then it is reasonable that if even the 2014 consolidated errata can't bother highlighting the death of ship configuration, it must not be a particularly desired or useful rule deletion.

 

[F33D]

Then it is reasonable that if even the 2014 consolidated errata can't bother highlighting the death of ship configuration, it must not be a particularly desired or useful rule deletion.

Errata wasn't brought up to date in 2014. Did you not just read what I wrote a few minutes ago??

 

[dragoner]

http://www.bisbos.com/scifi/tta_images/650/iqueenl.jpg

An iconic design from Ye Olde Days of sci fi book covers.

Nobody can tell me that that was not partly an inspiration for the design of Serenity.

Serenity is a good looking ship. The Interstellar Queen was a nod to the Concord, and the Solar Queen, imo.

 

[dragoner]

The art work for the ACS 3 ships is rather weird too, maybe Mr Stead could fix that. But they do have deck plans, which is nice. One I use as the deck plan for the TTA Interstellar Queen:

http://www.bisbos.com/scifi/tta_images/650/iqueenl.jpg

I love those books! It took me a while to track down a set of them. My brother had them when they first came out, sadly I did not get my hands on them.

From the images it was always hard to tell how they managed to fit 280 passengers in that ship. If you read the specs from the book I think they reversed them. The larger Mk2 supposedly had 30 cabin crew for over 600 passengers, while the Mk1 had 75 cabin crew for 280.

I still have TTA and Spacewreck, I lost Great Space Battles somewhere; yeah, mix those with Alien and Outland and we were playing Traveller. I forget the original specs, just used the ones I got from ACS. I have a secret to tell though, often I just say the ship is J2 etc., with the original specs from CT, show the players the deck plan, and none's the wiser.

 

[dragoner]

Ships with more general purpose routes that serve any possible system need the advantage of streamlining to turn a profit often a higher return for being more adventurous over time.

Esp on the frontier where the adventure is.

 

[wbnc]

Hey I have great news...You will soon have that 1000-2000 Dton freighter to play with

There are several In the 1k-2k Dton range ships in the Commercial Vessel book that will hopefully be available to everyone soon . It's finished on my end and is in the capable hands of the guys over at Mongoose.

 

[F33D]

Hey I have great news...You will soon have that 1000-2000 Dton freighter to play with

There are several In the 1k-2k Dton range ships in the Commercial Vessel book that will hopefully be available to everyone soon . It's finished on my end and is in the capable hands of the guys over at Mongoose.

Does it have good SVG deck plans that are accurate?

 

[wbnc]

Does it have good SVG deck plans that are accurate?

You will have to ask the poor soul who is turning my notes, and roughs, into illustrations. I only supplied the written material and concept drawings.... which I am afraid to say aren't up to publishing

as you can see...this is a 1000 ton Jump Ferry. Its designed to be able to carry 1000 Dtons of cargo or other vessels

 

[F33D]

Does it have good SVG deck plans that are accurate?

You will have to ask the poor soul who is turning my notes, and roughs, into illustrations. I only supplied the written material and concept drawings.... which I am afraid to say aren't up to publishing

Thanks for the quick reply! Hopefully they will listen to this type of request as it has been voiced countless times in the past.

 

[wbnc]

no problem... I hope you will enjoy what I've put together.

 

[AndrewW]

Hey I have great news...You will soon have that 1000-2000 Dton freighter to play with

There are several In the 1k-2k Dton range ships in the Commercial Vessel book that will hopefully be available to everyone soon . It's finished on my end and is in the capable hands of the guys over at Mongoose.

Does it have good SVG deck plans that are accurate?

They where done entirely in vector (SVG format) and are accurate according to the ship specifications.

 

[F33D]

Hey I have great news...You will soon have that 1000-2000 Dton freighter to play with

There are several In the 1k-2k Dton range ships in the Commercial Vessel book that will hopefully be available to everyone soon . It's finished on my end and is in the capable hands of the guys over at Mongoose.

Does it have good SVG deck plans that are accurate?

They where done entirely in vector (SVG format) and are accurate according to the ship specifications.

 

[Lord High Munchkin]

They where done entirely in vector (SVG format) and are accurate according to the ship specifications.

Bet they all get rasterised and reduced to tiny, fuzzy size.

 

[AndrewW]

Bet they all get rasterised and reduced to tiny, fuzzy size.

Things can happen sometimes. There was a problem reading the SVG files for Space Stations, and they ended up using bitmaps for those, but that problem has been fixed.

 

[Reynard]

How are we defining Traders? Is the 1000 ton Heavy Freighter in the core Book or the Large Freighter in Traders and Gunboats considered Traders?

 

[Condottiere]

Definition would be that other thread.

 

[Reynard]

So I'll assume a trader is a vessel that carries both passengers and cargo while liners only have passengers and freighter are cargo only.

Looking over the various books, it seems going over 1000 tons invariably leads to specialization, either you haul cargo or passengers. Could be large vessels are the domain of companies and corporations with the capital for expensive ships and they don't want to rely on luck to fill both capacities. Freighters and liners have stability of plying regular, known stops. Those stops will have lots of capacity to fill a ship and mean bigger is better so ships get huge rather than merely big. It could be 1000 dtons is a breaking point for small operations and independents.

Say we size up a trader to 1-2k. More passenger and cargo. What is the target world to justify the expense? Class C and maybe D with low population could be candidates, just enough to fill most capacity but to small to attract large vessels. This reminds me of the age of rail with trains pulling both passenger and box cars as they hits growing towns and small cities on a route.

 

[F33D]

So I'll assume a trader is a vessel that carries both passengers and cargo while liners only have passengers and freighter are cargo only.

Wrong assumption on traders. One can do spec trading and only carry cargo. Unless spec trading has to include slaves...

 

[Condottiere]

You really need the figures of normal trade and passenger traffic between two points.

If it's the equivalent of eighteenth and nineteenth century, merchant ships will have space for passengers.