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[Vormaerin]

Glisten was never taken.
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Look carefully at the worlds that are "taken" in the Spinward Marches.

How many are Imperial worlds...
what was the population of the worlds before the Aslan "invasion"
how does a fleet of second hand TL12-13 ships defeat the TL15 forces that can be brought to bear by Norris? Glisten monitors could wipe out any Aslan threat.

Well, there's about half a dozen worlds in the Glisten Subsector that have "politically significant" Aslan populations after the invasion that didn't before, plus 4 worlds (Aster, Craw, Wurzburg, & Sorel) that are flat out "Aslan Worlds" afterwards. There's several more new Aslan pop worlds in Trin's Veil. If you throw in Gazulin, Tobia, Pax Rulin, and Usher subsectors that aren't in the Marches but are in the Imperium, there's a bunch more. Including Tobia and Gazulin, both subsector capitals and major population centers.

We can have a pointless and unresolvable argument about whether "rooted out" means "stopped before they got anywhere" or "removed after they did" as far as Glisten goes. But they did conquer Aki (for a year or two) and Sorel (permanently), worlds adjacent to Glisten.

The idea that there are enough Ihatei around to accomplish that kind of invasion at all, much less in the couple years the timeline allows, is bonkers, imho.

 

[Sigtrygg]

yup, the invasion story is so unbelievable it has to have some other explanation...

Hence my theory that Norris invited the Aslan.

The patrol was set up in 1120...

 

[Sigtrygg]

This is the sort of thing that a MgT version of the rebellion could deal with

 

[G'Naakbusters]

Well, there's about half a dozen worlds in the Glisten Subsector that have "politically significant" Aslan populations after the invasion that didn't before, plus 4 worlds (Aster, Craw, Wurzburg, & Sorel) that are flat out "Aslan Worlds" afterwards.

That's essentially why I suggested the area had transitioned to a Human-Aslan fusion.

My apologies for being vague on the sources, all; I wasn't sure where it all came from.

 

[Sigtrygg]

If the Aslan rulers swear fealty to Norris what does it matter who rules the planet - the Imperium isn't bothered by internal world politics, only their paying of taxes.

 

[Vormaerin]

Ah, but the Regency isn't the Imperium. Super Norris reformed it to a British style democracy, complete with figurehead ruler, supernumerary nobility, and lots of voting by elected representatives.


Anyway, there's a love affair with the ihatei that leads to assuming the majority of Aslan go ihatei in order to make them a huge, constant threat to their neighbors. The civil war era invasion of the Reach & Marches is just the most egregious example of it. Luckily, it has nothing to do with the fifth frontier war.

 

[Sigtrygg]

The Regency reforms wouldn't come until much later in the day.

The 1125 map in Hard Times shows that Norris is back in control of the Aslan incursion region - the exact definition of that control is left to the referee

 

[collins355]

Not to raise another ghost, but we fought out the purported Vargr takeover of Corridor in 1117-1118 using the modified FFW grand strategy wargame rules in T4's Imperial Squadrons and Pocket Empires. It is a hard slog, if not impossible, for the disparate Vargr forces to complete the feats they are alleged to have managed in DGP canon. And that is assuming all the first-line Imperial forces have left Corridor as DGP conveniently arranged. Even colonial forces are enough to stuff the Vargr, unless you assume some turncoats among them.

 

[steelbrok]

Not to raise another ghost, but we fought out the purported Vargr takeover of Corridor in 1117-1118 using the modified FFW grand strategy wargame rules in T4's Imperial Squadrons and Pocket Empires. It is a hard slog, if not impossible, for the disparate Vargr forces to complete the feats they are alleged to have managed in DGP canon. And that is assuming all the first-line Imperial forces have left Corridor as DGP conveniently arranged. Even colonial forces are enough to stuff the Vargr, unless you assume some turncoats among them.

Along the lines of late Roman Empire local bigshots inviting in barbarians as Federates to help shore up their own position?
Let's call the Sector Duke of Corridor Vortigern

 

[Nelphine]

Bah, Vargr should have waaay more ships in corridor than anyone gives them credit for.
If they can build fleets that even approach economical parity with the imperium, they should have literally hundreds of thousands of corsairs in the corridor alone. This reaches into the millions if they manage to have as much military spending per capita as the imperium.
*stalls off grumbling about MTU and economic numbers*

 

[Vormaerin]

If you mean "armed merchantmen capable of turning raider", that's probably true. But if you mean "dedicated commerce raiding ships", if that were true, there'd be no trade left in the Extents to trade on.

 

[Nelphine]

Yeah, thats how i see it. The corridor in MTU has no formal trade (not that most of it has the population to warrant trade anyway!). You cant get through it except if you're in a dedicated military convoy, and the whole thing isn't under inperial control, except for dedicated naval bases. Its all independant worlds. Only way to stop the vargr is complete scorched earth policy, and even then, you won't have any logistics ships left. And the Vargr spend so much time raiding each other, they cant threaten core, so scorched earth policy isnt worth it. Just leave a sector or two between the nearest Vargr main world and the worlds you care about, and you're fine.

In particular, my vargr just.. dont build (many) capital ships. So, for each ship the imperium would have, the vargr just put all of that money into.. more corsairs. And that gets a LOT of corsairs.

 

[Garran]

The endgame of the Drinax campaign also highlights that it's more about quantity than quality if the objective is to raid and/or shut down traffic through an area. It's a lot of space to protect and a cruiser can only be in one place at a time.