SST EVO
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human_target
Mongoose
Bottom line?
Some people WILL buy into it.
I'm one of those.
everybody else should just go ahead and do whatever they like to do.
s
Some people WILL buy into it.
I'm one of those.
everybody else should just go ahead and do whatever they like to do.
s
Well, i have yet to see a BFE mini up close and cannot judge, but lwets look at AT43.
You get six plastic figures in some caes for like 25 euros. That is pricey. Non gamers wont get into the hobby purely because of the ost. In general, without prepaints, our hobbies like cardsn rpgs, and\ wargames are exensive.
I myself would rather get metal and plastic and do it all myself.
Now, a lot of people are saying rackham are at deaths door. If someone can prove this, now I am curious and want to read it, I am not accusing anyone of being a liar, please post a link.
Now for people who do not want to paint and want prepaints, Ill tell you story.
ITs about a friend from my lgs. I wont post his real name, but lets call him Joe for not. Joe has a family, is busy with work, and has been gaming for years. Never liked painting, it would always be the subject of light hearted jokes in the club/shop.
A few years ago GW started creating regional tournaments in IReland, and one of the conditions to enter was to have your models paintded with at least three colours, and based. With the help of the LGS owner and another excellent painter, they helped Joe paint up his space wolves army in a month to a decent standard. Noe he can't put down paintbrushed, and it has been... heck four years at this stage. He now owns a masterpiece painted Skaven army.
Don't knock painting till you have tried it, or at least had a good painter show you how.
It just goes to show how much painting is part of the hobby by definition by the amount of members who stopped painting since the big announcement about starship troopers.
I was ecstatic to see the fleet landing party come out and rumuors of some skinnie stuff. I am all for painting, and will only get new sculpts or units that have not been released yet. Assuming a bunch of other war gamers do as I, and that mongoose are gonna use a fairly similar mould on some of their prepaint released to the grey and whites with their initial released, I doubt I will spend more than 100 euros on the game in a year, which equates to something in the region of ten or eleven euros, very roughly a month on new release for mongoose.
However, if there was metal minis for 30E a month released, and there were two or three released, or plastic, Odds are I would buy at least one. So already 'old school wargamers' (ones who paint, game model) will be spending a third of what they normally would on a game that costs about twice as much to produce as the older way of doing it.
My two cents.
You get six plastic figures in some caes for like 25 euros. That is pricey. Non gamers wont get into the hobby purely because of the ost. In general, without prepaints, our hobbies like cardsn rpgs, and\ wargames are exensive.
I myself would rather get metal and plastic and do it all myself.
Now, a lot of people are saying rackham are at deaths door. If someone can prove this, now I am curious and want to read it, I am not accusing anyone of being a liar, please post a link.
Now for people who do not want to paint and want prepaints, Ill tell you story.
ITs about a friend from my lgs. I wont post his real name, but lets call him Joe for not. Joe has a family, is busy with work, and has been gaming for years. Never liked painting, it would always be the subject of light hearted jokes in the club/shop.
A few years ago GW started creating regional tournaments in IReland, and one of the conditions to enter was to have your models paintded with at least three colours, and based. With the help of the LGS owner and another excellent painter, they helped Joe paint up his space wolves army in a month to a decent standard. Noe he can't put down paintbrushed, and it has been... heck four years at this stage. He now owns a masterpiece painted Skaven army.
Don't knock painting till you have tried it, or at least had a good painter show you how.
It just goes to show how much painting is part of the hobby by definition by the amount of members who stopped painting since the big announcement about starship troopers.
I was ecstatic to see the fleet landing party come out and rumuors of some skinnie stuff. I am all for painting, and will only get new sculpts or units that have not been released yet. Assuming a bunch of other war gamers do as I, and that mongoose are gonna use a fairly similar mould on some of their prepaint released to the grey and whites with their initial released, I doubt I will spend more than 100 euros on the game in a year, which equates to something in the region of ten or eleven euros, very roughly a month on new release for mongoose.
However, if there was metal minis for 30E a month released, and there were two or three released, or plastic, Odds are I would buy at least one. So already 'old school wargamers' (ones who paint, game model) will be spending a third of what they normally would on a game that costs about twice as much to produce as the older way of doing it.
My two cents.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
human_target said:
BUT will the odd bloke buying it be enough to cover the cost of producing it . . . .
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
Lieutenant Rasczak said:
How come when I said this a year and a half ago I got jumped on by half a dozen people (including you Lt lol) telling me I was talking out of my arse?
I don't mind the prepaint phenomina to much. But I'll be damned if Im going to pay premium prices for subpar models just because they already have a paintjob that Im gonna have to paint over anyway.
End of the day, until they come up with a process that DOESNT involve a disinterested wage slave slapping the paint on, prepaints are going to look like a completly disinterested wage slave slapped some paint on.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Lieutenant Rasczak said:
I never said it was just your generalisation, and nothing you have written invalidates my point.
LBH
human_target
Mongoose
Lieutenant Rasczak said:
I wouldn't add the "odd" in the sentence.
Before you know it we could be the odd person to support something.
First to answer your question: yes, I think so
Now maybe not for Mongoose mind you (but I do hope so), but somewhere down the line somebody will come up with the way to do it right (it's kind of a messiah-complex methinks - you start to believe in it and you will start seeing it ; )
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
lastbesthope said:
Its very hard to invalidate or disprove anything with words, especially when they go missing.
But, by the same token. Nothing you have written invalidates anything either.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
human_target said:
I don't think use of the word 'Odd' was too out of place, think of how few people (compared to say the Computer Gaming community) there are actually Wargame.
Then, consider how few (as a percentage of Wargamers) there are 'into' each specific game.
THEN, further consider how few there are who want a pre-painted game. Its not that many at all.
Rackham felt that making AT-43 pre-painted would 'temp' non gamers into the fold. But after release, market research showed that many were put off by the price compared to the quality; and many more simply didn't 'get' the attraction or weren't interested.
Its a dangerous line.
I would LOVE SST Evo to be a success, but SST was on such shakey ground anyway (poor and sporadic releases) I think you are spot on the money for its success.
Someone someday might get pre-painteds right. But I don't think its in the immediate future.
human_target
Mongoose
Lieutenant Rasczak said:
Maybe I'm somewhere close to Soulmage.
If I like something I buy it (while I'm not a millionaire, I do get around : )
the 'gaming scene' is too dilluted (if I understand correctly what you're talking about) and you are correct that almost always (better scratch that almost) some people but not all adhere to a new game.
What I do find strange is the fact that we all here really like the background of SST and we would very much like it to be a succes.
But somehow we all would like a different take on it (wheter it's rules or paints or sculpts) and that's just why somewhere, somewhen it could not work out.
I don't think that some hicks in a release date will kill a product though there is some kind of period (don't ask me how long, I wdon't know) people have to try not to cross.
I experienced this when buying 'the Ultimates' from Marvel Comics
For a medium where most of the comics come out at an interval of once a month, I was pretty anxious to get my hands on the next installment.
Some times I had to wait 6 months (or even longer, I don't remember) for the next issue.
It was definitely worth the wait.
s
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
I am a HUGE Hellboy Fan, so I really do understand the pain of waiting Lol!
Delays in a release shouldn't hurt a product, but it will put people off (look how many are jumping ship) I just hope the final product is worth it.
Delays in a release shouldn't hurt a product, but it will put people off (look how many are jumping ship) I just hope the final product is worth it.
human_target
Mongoose
I hope it too
And I do have a few Hellboy comics also (notably the cross-over with Starman - got the whole run of it, and a tattoo of the starman symbol also)
s
And I do have a few Hellboy comics also (notably the cross-over with Starman - got the whole run of it, and a tattoo of the starman symbol also)
s
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
human_target said:
The Starman/Hellboy cross was class!
human_target
Mongoose
a connoiseur ; )
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
human_target said:
Hell Yea!
I spent two hours on the phone to my friend Gordon at Battlefront Games UK Office, an hour of that was just talking about Comics!
Maelmordha
Mongoose
Just read this thread and what a furore over nuthin'
I actually LIKE painting (and I'm pretty good even though I say so myself :wink: ). I also see the modelling part of the hobby as an important part for me.
That said - I have prepaints (and armies painted by professional artists) I have acquired over the years. I always feel the ones I painted myself are special because I know the amount of work I've put into them to make them look the way I want them to. I also have an attic full of lead......
I also have noooooo time since I am married with 2 young kids, a house that needs work and a job that runs on deadlines.
So what I'm trying to say is I'll probably paint a special unit or two and flesh out the rest of the army with prepaints. The prepaints eventually going to some of my club colleagues as I manage to replace them with 'my' stuff. Prepaints would NOT be getting used in any of my displays though.....
M
I actually LIKE painting (and I'm pretty good even though I say so myself :wink: ). I also see the modelling part of the hobby as an important part for me.
That said - I have prepaints (and armies painted by professional artists) I have acquired over the years. I always feel the ones I painted myself are special because I know the amount of work I've put into them to make them look the way I want them to. I also have an attic full of lead......
I also have noooooo time since I am married with 2 young kids, a house that needs work and a job that runs on deadlines.
So what I'm trying to say is I'll probably paint a special unit or two and flesh out the rest of the army with prepaints. The prepaints eventually going to some of my club colleagues as I manage to replace them with 'my' stuff. Prepaints would NOT be getting used in any of my displays though.....
M
human_target
Mongoose
same here, same here
but I got 3 kids
I don't like painting, but I like to play with painted figs.
So, until the prepaints are out I'll keep painting, but afterwards it's prepaints with maybe a little tweak for me.
s
but I got 3 kids
I don't like painting, but I like to play with painted figs.
So, until the prepaints are out I'll keep painting, but afterwards it's prepaints with maybe a little tweak for me.
s
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
human_target said:same here, same here
but I got 3 kids
I don't like painting, but I like to play with painted figs.
So, until the prepaints are out I'll keep painting, but afterwards it's prepaints with maybe a little tweak for me.
s
2 Kids, 14 Cats, a Dog, Infirm Relatives, Self Employed . . . . . .
I know what you mean!
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
Galatea said:
Old Models Rule!
