So, Mongoose...other milieus, 1248 and all that.

[BP]

...I did, Sainsbury's had an an offer on red wine this week and I'm working my way through my GFs supply so excuse a few errors BP

No problems - in fact, thanks for the laugh - and I'm sure MJD will understand what you meant... (coincidentally, just picked the last of this seasons grapes for wine today - so expect me to be showcasing my own errors soon - tho I generally seem to make them just fine without assistance )

 

[Charakan]

Its all a little weird, in some quarters of the internet the GT:Sword Worlds stuff is really respected.

Why shouldn't it be? It's a pretty decent book on the Sword Worlds, and shows how possible it is to get a book's worth of material out of a subsector. I only wish there were more Subsector-scale books around.

Sorry, the way I phrased it may have implied that its odd that its considered the definitive (sp?) work.

What I meant is that its good Idea about how Swordy society should work. I like it. you'll have to excuse me Doc, I haven't had any alcohol in three months!

Wasn't trying to put yours and others work down, I really like it. Teach me to to post when I have had a few drinks. My choice of words was a bit crap.

 

[Charakan]

Sorry I missed the comma out Martin I just saw what BP implied by my bad grammar, a couple of terms on the rogue/drifter career in the great character sheet in the sky can make you look like a complete arsehole. Teach me to post when I'm drunk. God I feel like a complete dickhead now.

Edit: added a comma to make me look less like an arsehole

 

[GamerDude]

What I meant is that its good Idea about how Swordy society should work. I like it. you'll have to excuse me Doc, I haven't had any alcohol in three months!

Wasn't trying to put yours and others work down, I really like it. Teach me to to post when I have had a few drinks. My choice of words was a bit crap.

Actually your choice wasn't too bad.
Like here, you said "it is a good idea about how swordy society should work" is exactly on the mark since nothing GURPS Traveller is cannon (as stated in the like first book or when it was released I'd have to do some digging), just had to work it's way around the license oversight and whatever issues.

Good ideas are great, and I love the sword worlds book for GT. I use it in my games as a kind of guideline for it.

 

[EDG]

The SW book is the only published book on the subject, and is canonical for GT - that's all that matters.

So basically:
- If you want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, the book will be useful.
- If you don't want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, then don't get it.
- If you want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, but refuse to get it because you're a Marc Miller canon purist or just plain hate GURPS, then it's your loss.

 

[Charakan]

The SW book is the only published book on the subject, and is canonical for GT - that's all that matters.

So basically:
- If you want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, the book will be useful.
- If you don't want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, then don't get it.
- If you want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, but refuse to get it because you're a Marc Miller canon purist or just plain hate GURPS, then it's your loss.

Well as far I as I can see Doc, if it suits the way I want to run my game I will use it, if it is considered Canon or not, If there are aspects of the that I like then screw the Canon police. Its my universe, and I'll do with it what suits my style of game. I'm not a big fan of of the GT alternate timeline but if people want to play it then more power to their elbow. Basically the games meant to be about having fun and do with it what you will.

 

[Charakan]

What I meant is that its good Idea about how Swordy society should work. I like it. you'll have to excuse me Doc, I haven't had any alcohol in three months!

Wasn't trying to put yours and others work down, I really like it. Teach me to to post when I have had a few drinks. My choice of words was a bit crap.

Actually your choice wasn't too bad.
Like here, you said "it is a good idea about how swordy society should work" is exactly on the mark since nothing GURPS Traveller is cannon (as stated in the like first book or when it was released I'd have to do some digging), just had to work it's way around the license oversight and whatever issues.

Good ideas are great, and I love the sword worlds book for GT. I use it in my games as a kind of guideline for it.

Exactly Gamerdude, if it suits your style of play then to hell with what the canon police tell you what is right.

 

[EDG]

I'm not a big fan of of the GT alternate timeline but if people wan't to play it then more power to their elbow.

The thing about the "GT alternate timeline" is that it's exactly what people were clamouring for at the time. T4 was dying (if not dead) at the time, TNE had created a huge schism in the Traveller fanbase, and a lot of people wanted to get back to the good old CT era again.

So SJG gave them exactly that - a continuation of the CT timeline as if the assassination never happened, and while they were at it they produced some of the best written, most well thought out material ever published for the game. And yet, some people still insist on trying to denigrate it or diminish it by going on about how it "isn't canon".

As far as I can see there's nothing really "alternate" about the GT timeline up to the events surrounding the Assassination-that-never-happened. Obviously it branches off after that, but prior to that date it's essentially the same background as in CT (and if the assassination hadn't happened in CT, then the CT timeline could easily have gone the same way after 1116). Yes, the mechanics are different, but that's entirely down to squeezing the GURPS engine into Traveller. If anyone doesn't like that, they can easily replace the GURPS versions of the ships and tech with CT versions and nobody would know the difference. Otherwise, the setting is the same up to that point.

Basically the games meant to be about having fun and do with it what you will.

Exactly. The canon arguments should be left for the poor saps that have to write for the OTU - nobody else needs to give a damn.

(were you thinking I was siding with the Canon Police there? I wasn't. I just said it was canonical for GURPS Traveller, but that only matters for people writing for it. Everyone else doesn't need to care. So you were agreeing with me!).

 

[GamerDude]

, and is canonical for GT

Correct, making it vital for GT, and 'nice info' everywhere else.

So basically:
- If you want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, the book will be useful.
- If you don't want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, then don't get it.
- If you want indepth info on the Sword Worlds, but refuse to get it because you're a Marc Miller canon purist or just plain hate GURPS, then it's your loss.

Why do the choices have to be so nasty and filled with bile?

when I said

Good ideas are great, and I love the sword worlds book for GT. I use it in my games as a kind of guideline for it.

I meant the book was published for GT, not that you can only use it for GT. I thought the former would be understood instead of the latter being assumed especially since I said I use it in my games but didn't state a system.

If you want great ideas about how the sword worlds might be for a non GT game, it's a great book
If you want detailed info on the sword worlds for a GT game, it's a vital book.
If you only want Canonical OTU stuff then the book isn't for you.
Having to be a hater or lover of GT? Immaterial.

As I said but some person couldn't comprehend... it's a great ATU resource that is GT cannon and just 'stuff' elsewhere to be used or not. Being a GURPS fan/lover (like me), or a GURPS Zelot/Author (like certain folks), or a GURPS Agnostic (like lots of people) has NO bearing on it being a good resource, reference, source of ideas, etc.

But of course, many opinions will go out of their way to differ.

 

[Charakan]

I relate to what your saying EDG, when I first discovered the rebellion I wasn't happy with it, but after a while it grew on me.

Don't get me wrong whatever parties were responsible for the disruption of the OTU, I can live with it.

The thing is if something comes up in GT that suits my game I will use it.

 

[Charakan]

(were you thinking I was siding with the Canon Police there? I wasn't. I just said it was canonical for GURPS Traveller, but that only matters for people writing for it. Everyone else doesn't need to care. So you were agreeing with me!).

I never thought you were a member of the Canon police your to opened minded to fall into that mode of thinking.

 

[EDG]

Why do the choices have to be so nasty and filled with bile?

Nothing I said was "nasty" or "full of bile" at all. I just said that people would find it useful if they were interested in the Sword Worlds, and not useful if they weren't. If people also choose to add some daft "must stick to canon" criterion to what they use, then it's their loss if they ignore it.

You've spent a lot of time on these boards making out that GT is somehow inferior because it's "not canon" according to Marc Miller.

If you want great ideas about how the sword worlds might be for a non GT game, it's a great book
If you want detailed info on the sword worlds for a GT game, it's a vital book.
If you only want Canonical OTU stuff then the book isn't for you.
Having to be a hater or lover of GT? Immaterial.

Thank you for repeating what I said (largely).

Being a GURPS fan/lover (like me)

Oh pull the other one, it's got bells on.

 

[captainjack23]

I believe the condition that SJ agreed to was "nothing in GT can be used to contradict traveller canon", not "GT is not canon".

Which is just clarifying the situation for writers, who do have to follow it.

Its surprising that many of those who complained loudest about traveller inconsistencies in the past get so irate about an attempt to 1. expand the setting whilst 2. keeping an order of magnitude increase in the inconsistency from happening.

Its simple. When writing for traveller (OTU) if there is aconflict between GT and traveller, GT is ignored.

And no, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here. I was on the traveller lists long ago.

 

[GamerDude]

If you want great ideas about how the sword worlds might be for a non GT game, it's a great book
If you want detailed info on the sword worlds for a GT game, it's a vital book.
If you only want Canonical OTU stuff then the book isn't for you.
Having to be a hater or lover of GT? Immaterial.

Thank you for repeating what I said (largely).

I was ridiculing you because it was snotty and missed my points and were trying to be snotty by mis-stating what I said.

Being a GURPS fan/lover (like me)

Oh pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Want to see my collection of both 3rd and 4th ed books (everything in print through stores for 4th), the game I run for GURPS Firefly? or do you just want to keep drowning in ignorance?

Seriously dude, you have a chip on your shoulder larger than the paper your PhD is printed on. I don't care about you and wish you'd let others have a differing opinion AND stop reading the worst into what those you don't like say. It's getting old.

Oh, and my G:Firefly normally meets Sundays if you want to fly across the pond, and across the US to join us. But you have to be nice.

 

[EDG]

I was ridiculing you because it was snotty and missed my points and were trying to be snotty by mis-stating what I said.

Tell you what. Why don't you actually practice what you preach in your sig instead of trying to sound smart?

I'm done here. And on this board, for that matter. I'm sick of the continued abuse and harrassment from you. You clearly have a mental problem and a serious inferiority complex, you have done nothing but take potshots at me since I got here, and you have gone out of your way to snipe, harrass and insult me (and now you're even targeting me with your sig) when I haven't said a damn thing to you.

I have no idea what I ever did to you, but get the fuck over it.

 

[MJD]

When GT first appeared, I received actual threats to kill me if I worked on it. Hasn't happened yet though. The screaming over GT kinda went away once a new uber-villlain appreared.

But anyway, the official position I got from Marc Miller some time ago (before Mongoose Traveller) was that I shouldn't set out to deliberately over-write GT canon, butif I had somthing better or something I wanted to do, then it could be over-written wherever I felt like it.

That one came up in a recent clash I had with some of the canon police who didn't know the official position yet denounced my deviation from the true path anyway. But there it is... GT is a good source of information and it's based on the same data as mainstream canon, but it can be over-written.

 

[MJD]

I just looked back and found the typo - no worries, I now what as meant by the 'despite the crap'thing.

Given that I type like an automatic shotgun (fast, noisy, lots of stuff flying about but no real precision), I can hardly get upset about misleaing typos....

 

[Charakan]

When GT first appeared, I received actual threats to kill me if I worked on it. Hasn't happened yet though.

Wow, thats a little extreme, Traveller is my favourite RPG but I wouldn't get so wound up about it that I'd start making serious threats if I disagreed with what someone wrote.

 

[G. K. Zhukov]

Wow, thats a little extreme, Traveller is my favourite RPG but I wouldn't get so wound up about it that I'd start making serious threats if I disagreed with what someone wrote.

Now you know what they mean when they refer to Traveller having a rather entrenched fan base... :wink:

 

[Dave Chase]

Well I can tell you that the Traveller fan base is not as extreme as the old BattleTech fan base.

Dave Chase