Ship Base Size Chart

[LimeyDragon]

Now that would be aesthetically horrible to me, my dinky ships on huge bases :shock:

so the best hting would be ot use the base size as a guide..

 

[Tank]

still it would be aesthetically unpleasing for me, a FA Scale Omega on a GW base??? I prefer the little hex bases that fit and look good. :lol:

 

[WereRogue]

still it would be aesthetically unpleasing for me, a FA Scale Omega on a GW base??? I prefer the little hex bases that fit and look good. :lol:

Aesthetically unpleasing for you, and horribly unfair to your opponent.

-Ken

 

[darknight]

i dunno, am i missing something here? what does the base size matter when boresighting a ship of for any other aiming, its done on the stem, not the base, if your ship is mounted on the back,middle or front its the stem thats the target, the ship is eye candy of sorts

 

[Court Jester]

Ships cannot end their moves with their bases overlapping so you can gain advantage with smaller bases in some aspects of the rules.

 

[WereRogue]

And, unless I'm incorrect, you measure from the stem of the firing model to the base of the target model. Which is why the difference in base sizes - some ships are smaller than others, thus harder to hit.

-Ken

 

[lastbesthope]

And, unless I'm incorrect, you measure from the stem of the firing model to the base of the target model.

-Ken

You are incorrect, it's centre point to centre point (usually stem to stem) for all measuring, finding of arc and range.

LBH

 

[LaranosTZ]

For a brief while, they toyed with a rule mechanic where boresite was centerpoint of model to base of opposing model, this is when the base-size chart was created. The rule mechanic was thrown out though, and thus, so was the base size chart.

 

[Chernobyl]

my advice would be to just simply mount your model on what size base you feel is needed to suport its size. my white stars probably could have used small GW bases rather than big MGP bases, but I didn't have any at the time. My apollo came with a friggin small MGP base for petes sake - that' wasn't going to work at all. the model is way too long for such a small base.

Chern

 

[LaranosTZ]

Yah, now try imagining balancing an Avioki on the hex-shaped AOG Bases? Yes, that's the base they shipped with all the Aviokis I bought from Mongoose. What I ended up doing was shaving the edges of the hex bases a bit, then mounting the hex base on a big round base. Kind of a dirty fix-em-up, but I also didn't really see a good place to drill a mounting hole into the model itself.

 

[Chernobyl]

yes, well, that ship in particular presents a unique problem... :lol:

Chern

 

[LaranosTZ]

Which one? The giant freaking fin...or the center shaft in the middle supported by well...erm, nothing?

 

[Chernobyl]

<nods> yes!

:lol:

Chern

 

[Ripple]

Base size is an issue due to the ranges and angles you can achieve with smaller bases. Larger bases offer few advantages until you are more than eight inches from center to edge...but I'm getting to the point I feel I should do it just to make the more visually striking example of free form basing.

Of course then my overly violent cousins across the Atlantic will just resort to smacking with books and hammers rather than fixing the obvious hole in the rules. Much better answer to a problem, smack the person that points it out.

Ripple

 

[Tank]

My Aviokis are based on the old AOG hex bases, as are my Brokados, just used some coins to stabilise the bases

 

[darknight]

i dont think anyone is smacking the person who points this out, its just as myself,lbh,etc have pointed out its stem to stem on measuring and firing, and i dont think that many people find it a problem, put the base on that suits your ship and enjoy the game, surely a few mates etc can work out a bit of "ill just move this that extra 1/4 inch so it lines up properly" sort of thing.
i can see what you mean with the small base close up being a bit more manouvrable, but try turning your omega to boe sight at 2 inch .

 

[WereRogue]

Well, that certainly changes my groups playstyle. I noticed in the original 1e version of the rules that you measured from the stem of the attacking model but it didn't say where you measure to on the target.

We just assumed it was the base because then there weren't any major reasons for different base sizes.

Just because I know my group will ask for it, is there anything currently published that says you measure from stem to stem?

And, I suppose that settles a lot of other concerns about using the GW bases over the MGP bases (the small GW bases are better, IMO, than the MGP).

-Ken

 

[LimeyDragon]

Well, that certainly changes my groups playstyle. I noticed in the original 1e version of the rules that you measured <i>from</i> the stem of the attacking model but it didn't say where you measure <i>to</i> on the target.

We just assumed it was the base because then there weren't any major reasons for different base sizes.

Just because I know my group will ask for it, is there anything currently published that says you measure from stem to stem?

And, I suppose that settles a lot of other concerns about using the GW bases over the MGP bases (the small GW bases are better, IMO, than the MGP).

-Ken

Yes, this is a queastion i would realy like the answer to.. Since i'm about to strip and retool my fleet..

 

[darknight]

sure, in the front of the rule book it shows a small pic,page 3 2n ed, page 3 revised rules, both labeled movement and firing,and i quote"where the single red dot in the centre is where all measurements are taken from""just like the base on a miniature".

 

[WereRogue]

sure, in the front of the rule book it shows a small pic,page 3 2n ed, page 3 revised rules, both labeled movement and firing,and i quote"where the single red dot in the centre is where all measurements are taken from""just like the base on a miniature".

Yeah, but we interpreted that exactly as it reads: "taken from" being the operative phrase.

A simple clarifying text would be great: "All measurements are taken from the stem (or centerpoint) when moving, and from stem to stem (or centerpoint to centerpoint) when targeting another model."

But, we looked at the fact that the ships had different base sizes and went: "Well, of course, the Omega is way bigger than the Tethys, so the Tethys would be harder to hit if you measured to the base."

-Ken