Runequest What were you thinking

I really don't get it why somebody complains if book is slim and easily readable (=not too small print and well laid with decent empty spaces to make content more easily readable).

Slimmer book should give hint that there is easy and quick rules to play with. At least I wouldn't like at all to get >300 page book just for Core Rules for any RPG.
 
GoingDown said:
I really don't get it why somebody complains if book is slim and easily readable (=not too small print and well laid with decent empty spaces to make content more easily readable).

Slimmer book should give hint that there is easy and quick rules to play with. At least I wouldn't like at all to get >300 page book just for Core Rules for any RPG.

Okay, so you go to the supermarket and buy a bag of potatos and I come along and help you by taking half of them out. "there you go" I cry "now its even easier for you to get your shopping home!"

What we all want is value for money, not easy to carry or read. My readings just fine thanks and RPGing has never been a preserve of the literally unable.

Quick easy to use is good, but give me 40-50 pages with bullet points at the beginning of a book for that and pack the rest with everything I want to know, everything i need to know and lots of things the game designer thinks I'd like to know!

Value over slim and easy to carry everytime thanks!

CHRIS
 
SmegmaLord said:
Okay, so you go to the supermarket and buy a bag of potatos and I come along and help you by taking half of them out. "there you go" I cry "now its even easier for you to get your shopping home!"

Nobody has taken any pages out from rulebook - actually they added 20 to it.

What we all want is value for money

Yes. It just means "easy to read & quick & simple rules" for me in this case. Of course I don't mind if book would be thicker but it is not only thing that matters.
 
msprange said:
SmegmaLord said:
....for those who dont the answer is.......?

People like hardbacks, whatever the format. . .

Actually no they don't or more graphic novels would be in Hardback as they often have similar page count to MRQ but are almost exclusively in paperback as they are seen as 'light-weight' productions.

Walk round Waterstones and you'd be amazed how few hardback volumes there are in general, except for first printings of novels and some textbooks that want to look large and impressive (and have the page count to back it up).

One irony is the only books any of us could think of that were hardbacked and the same size and thickness as MRQ were the comic annuals for Beano, Dandy, etc. Or is the primary school market MRQ's demographic ?


Vadrus
 
Isn't it better to have your rulebooks in hardback so that they dont get creased, marked and scuffed from constant use?

Also, how does the English in RQ compare with the English in Cadwallon?

Smegalord: why play MRQ rather than RQ2/3? Because it is available. You won't have to go hunting on ebay for rulebooks and supplements. Because it has been streamlined and simplified, while characters have different options for improvement.
 
Greg Smith said:
Isn't it better to have your rulebooks in hardback so that they dont get creased, marked and scuffed from constant use?

Also, how does the English in RQ compare with the English in Cadwallon?

Smegalord: why play MRQ rather than RQ2/3? Because it is available. You won't have to go hunting on ebay for rulebooks and supplements. Because it has been streamlined and simplified, while characters have different options for improvement.

I don't tend to find it makes any difference in durability, the way the pages are fixed to the spine is far more important than the covers.

The English in RQ is very plain and simple, the English in Cadwallon is very flowery and unfortunately not very clear in places due to odd translations. The Rackham forums have several threads about this with people either saying the translation isn't a problem or that it makes the game unplayable for them, sounds kinda familiar :D . There are also debates over certain mechanics but so far no outright 'this is broken' threads.


Vadrus
 
Vadrus said:
Unfortunately it can also have another effect as I found when I showed it to my games group last night. The first comment was "Slim ain't it", followed by "Where's the rest of it?" then a barrage of why is it in such large print, why does it have such large gaps amongst the paragraphs, why does it have such large borders, etc, etc.

I don't find the typeface to be large at all, any smaller and it would be too small. We've got some old codgers on here, and before you know it we'll have to be releasing large print editions just like Readers Digest.

I think the borders, while a bit excessive, were a design choice. They could have increased the typface a point or two and reduced the margins and no one would have complained. Or just added a few more pictures. There are a ton of ways to pad a book that are not not as obvious as larhe margins. I think if there intent was padding, they would have gone with a less obvious method.
 
(iN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ABOUT SIMPLICITY V CONTENT AND VALUE FOR MONEY)

Remind me to sell you a car or change money for you in future then

chris
 
Greg Smith said:
Isn't it better to have your rulebooks in hardback so that they dont get creased, marked and scuffed from constant use?

Also, how does the English in RQ compare with the English in Cadwallon?

Smegalord: why play MRQ rather than RQ2/3? Because it is available. You won't have to go hunting on ebay for rulebooks and supplements. Because it has been streamlined and simplified, while characters have different options for improvement.

An excellent argument for NEW players, one I wholeheartedly praise Mongoose for allowing to happen.

The player in question (like me) has a full set of RQ2/3....that was the actual question, my apologies for lack of clarity.

CHRIS
 
Dort Onion said:
I dont rem the RQ3 (Games Workshop) hardback being any bigger....
Fairly sure it was a 96 page hardback.....

The original (AH) RQ3 was five books (2 in the Players box, 3 in the GM box, all in the deluxe box). Total page count was pretty high.

And the binding was way stronger than MRQ! :lol:

(Just kidding on that last part, paper covers barely heavier than the internal pages, stapled. Horrible binding. Very easy to dissassemble and put into page protectors though, as happened to much of my RQ3 stuff).
 
Rurik said:
Dort Onion said:
I dont rem the RQ3 (Games Workshop) hardback being any bigger....
Fairly sure it was a 96 page hardback.....

The original (AH) RQ3 was five books (2 in the Players box, 3 in the GM box, all in the deluxe box). Total page count was pretty high.

And the binding was way stronger than MRQ! :lol:

(Just kidding on that last part, paper covers barely heavier than the internal pages, stapled. Horrible binding. Very easy to dissassemble and put into page protectors though, as happened to much of my RQ3 stuff).


Bizarrely my RQ3 books from the boxed set are still intact after campaigns lasting probably about 8 years in total. Though the staples are now rusting and staining the pages :?

Worst RPG ever for falling about was original SLA Industries book, pages fell out when it was first openned :shock: Ended up after two weeks play as a pile of loose pages that were kept in box file.


Vadrus
 
Lieutenant Rasczak said:


MRQ + Companion = $49.90 full RRP.

Cadwallon = $60 full RRP.

I can get Mongoose Books on discount, so thats an unfair comparison.

Anyway its a different Kettle of fish really, Cadwallon is a 'lost leader' as its designed so you spend loads of cash on Miniatures.

Also, there is a Companion on the way for Cadwallon, plus you need the floorplans, etc, etc . . . . . .

I too find MRQ way too expensive.

MRQ + Companion = 49.90 $ for 216 pages (black & white)
Artesia, Adventures in the Known World = 39.95 for 352 pages (full color)
Exalted 2nd edition = 39.99 $ for 400 pages (full color)

And for 49.90 $, we have have no background.
 
Vadrus said:
msprange said:
SmegmaLord said:
....for those who dont the answer is.......?

People like hardbacks, whatever the format. . .

Actually no they don't or more graphic novels would be in Hardback as they often have similar page count to MRQ but are almost exclusively in paperback as they are seen as 'light-weight' productions.

Walk round Waterstones and you'd be amazed how few hardback volumes there are in general, except for first printings of novels and some textbooks that want to look large and impressive (and have the page count to back it up).

One irony is the only books any of us could think of that were hardbacked and the same size and thickness as MRQ were the comic annuals for Beano, Dandy, etc. Or is the primary school market MRQ's demographic ?


Vadrus

Without being patronizing (which you were being) thats a spurious analogy, and you know it. Matt was referring to RPG books, not Kiddy Annuals and Waterstones Big sellers - surely you realized.
 
Rocambole said:
Lieutenant Rasczak said:


MRQ + Companion = $49.90 full RRP.

Cadwallon = $60 full RRP.

I can get Mongoose Books on discount, so thats an unfair comparison.

Anyway its a different Kettle of fish really, Cadwallon is a 'lost leader' as its designed so you spend loads of cash on Miniatures.

Also, there is a Companion on the way for Cadwallon, plus you need the floorplans, etc, etc . . . . . .

I too find MRQ way too expensive.

MRQ + Companion = 49.90 $ for 216 pages (black & white)
Artesia, Adventures in the Known World = 39.95 for 352 pages (full color)
Exalted 2nd edition = 39.99 $ for 400 pages (full color)

And for 49.90 $, we have have no background.

I don't put a price on my Gaming personally, If I like or want something I buy it. Price is immaterial to me.

The enjoyment I get from reading and GM'ing far outweighs any monetary expense.

I own both Artesia and Exalted - and I found them both dreadfully derivative of other games and backgrounds.
 
Vadrus said:
Bizarrely my RQ3 books from the boxed set are still intact after campaigns lasting probably about 8 years in total. Though the staples are now rusting and staining the pages :?

Worst RPG ever for falling about was original SLA Industries book, pages fell out when it was first openned :shock: Ended up after two weeks play as a pile of loose pages that were kept in box file.

Vadrus

The Binding on SLA was terrible wasn't it! Mine fell apart after two sessions too!
 
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