[Rumor] Conan 2nd Ed to use Runequest system?

[mthomason]

LOL, the 800 lb gorilla can be difficult to deal with, but the 800 lb gorilla may only pound its chest and not actually pursue a threaten claim where it is attempting to stretch the law, for fear of an adverse judgment.

Very true - the question is how many people would be afraid to take the risk. Hasbro can survive an judgement against them, most small publishers could not even afford the legal bills involved.

Anyway who cares, d20 is dead* and RQ is OGL now...

* to clarify - d20 is dead to the small publisher. If you don't have a known brand name it's not worth doing d20 because most distributors will simply not carry a new d20 line, and theres so much stuff on the shelves nobody is likely to buy your product anyway. Unless you have a nice licence attached to it of course.

 

[slaughterj]

LOL, the 800 lb gorilla can be difficult to deal with, but the 800 lb gorilla may only pound its chest and not actually pursue a threaten claim where it is attempting to stretch the law, for fear of an adverse judgment.

Very true - the question is how many people would be afraid to take the risk. Hasbro can survive an judgement against them, most small publishers could not even afford the legal bills involved.

For matters that I do not consider the actual conduct to be a legal violation, I certainly would

 

[Sutek]

It wasnt' a legal basis I was talking about. Hasbro and Wizard would be extremely hard pressed to pull the OGL rug out from under all these other publishers and expect any resonable court to decide in thier favor. Were they to set the standard and only to change it and then expect other companies to drop OGL and tag along aginst is unrealistic.

What I'm referring to is the support issue. If Wizards trashes OGL and that becomes the industry standard, would smaller companies like Mongoose be screwed?

The more important question is, as thulsa mentioned, Wizards would be dumb to alienate thier customer base by drasticly changing the system, so I think we can expect a 4.0 version to be d20 compliant, if not keeping in step with OGL entirely to boot.

My point would be, if Wizards "lost faith" in the OGL and wanted to do something even moderately different, call it something else for instance, would it adversely affect the rest of the publishers in the industry from a development standpoint? In other words, everybody is n the OGL boat, and if Wizards starts a-rockin', do other companies fall out? jump ship? what? Does it even have an effect?

 

[mthomason]

What I'm referring to is the support issue. If Wizards trashes OGL and that becomes the industry standard, would smaller companies like Mongoose be screwed?

If that happened:

Mongoose, I doubt - they're more a miniatures company now anyway. If their sales can be estimated from the amount of Mongoose stuff I sell, the second ACTA went out of the door the RPGs fell into a very poor second place in their profits. Plus they've already dumped any reliance on d20, so if Wizards trashes the d20 SRD they could just move everything to RQ. At a guess: The loss of RPGs would hit them, writers would be out of work, but the company would survive.

People like White Wolf (with their Swords & Sorcery line, and thus the likes of Necromancer too) - more likely. Knowing WW they would survive while they went on and developed something new, though.

For your typical d20 PDF small publisher, they'd better find something new or they're gone.

However, anything thats derived from the d20 SRD (leaving assumptions of what Wizards could feasibly try and scare people into doing aside for now) and has a nice shiny licence attached (Conan, B5) is going to sell no matter what the underlying system is.

 

[Sutek]

Yeah, WW would be in a tough spot since WOD sucks and thier other lines are D20 based. (lol)

But, what you say supports my initial surmise that in creating a Hyborian book (either printed or digital format) for RQ seems like a good safety net. It's not necessary, but it gives them the opportunity, should the need arise, to shift thier rather expensive Conan liscence over to another system without much worry should that be easier than trying to stay in step with Wizards, that is if 4.0 were to be a drastic departure from OGL/D20 that is.

 

[mthomason]

Yeah, WW would be in a tough spot since WOD sucks and thier other lines are D20 based. (lol)

I was trying to find a nicer way of saying that

 

[Sutek]

hehe

I tend to call it like I see it.

Werewolf is still cool. The rest blow.

 

[Thoth Aw C'mon]

Latest rumor going around about this has the 'Goose bigshots hung up on what to call the proposed new game. The picks that made the short list are:

CoRunequestnan the RPG.

RunenanquestCo the GRP.

CoRunenanquest the RGP.

RuneCoquestnan the PGA.

RuneConanquest the BRP/D20 RPG.

CoquestRunenan the RGB/D14 RPG.

A lot of good spies died to get that info out of HQ... the smart money over at DriveThruRPG is on the d14 version... Haw haw!

 

[Sutek]

Hey, don't laugh too hard.

I actually OWN several d16s.

:shock:

 

[Strom]

RuneCoquestnan the PGA.

There were some serious flaws when playtesting the PGA. Such as Improved Strike ability when combined with Random Windgust table 4.3B and the Green Undulations tableau. :lol:

A lot of good spies died to get that info out of HQ... the smart money over at DriveThruRPG is on the d14 version.

They must of been good because Mongoose is proving to be experts with product listing deception and rumor starting. :lol: Plus, they are so damn tight lipped. Still no response from the 'Goose on this thread... :?

 

[mthomason]

A lot of good spies died to get that info out of HQ... the smart money over at DriveThruRPG is on the d14 version... Haw haw!

I wasn't going to say anything for fear of reducing the odds, but I'd heard a rumur it was going to be d3, in a boxed set with the d3s included.

 

[Enpeze]

A lot of good spies died to get that info out of HQ... the smart money over at DriveThruRPG is on the d14 version... Haw haw!

I wasn't going to say anything for fear of reducing the odds, but I'd heard a rumur it was going to be d3, in a boxed set with the d3s included.

I hope there is a little rubber duck inside the box.

 

[Trodax]

I hope there is a little rubber duck inside the box.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Thoth Aw C'mon]

RuneCoquestnan the PGA.

There were some serious flaws when playtesting the PGA. Such as Improved Strike ability when combined with Random Windgust table 4.3B and the Green Undulations tableau. :lol:

Haw haw! Yay, verily. Those fumble/sand trap rules are rough! And the dreaded Caddy character class was just wrong... Then there's the psychotic "Bill Murray" groundskeeper class...[shudder]... Haw haw!

 

[Ashigaru]

The Runequest SRD has been released, in case anybody wants to check out the hypothetical future Conan system...

 

[Azgulor]

The Runequest SRD has been released, in case anybody wants to check out the hypothetical future Conan system...

Just couldn't resist throwing some gasoline on, could you? :roll: :wink:

Azgulor

"Make mine Conan OGL!"

 

[quigs]

The SRD seems interesting, if not a little barebones. But I guess that's kinda what an SRD is for

Can't see much use for this in Conan though until they come up with the magic system, as well as incorporating the important bits and pieces that make Conan what it is. Terror checks, sacrifices, etc.

Personally I'm still leaning towards Savage Worlds or True20 for my next Conan game, but that's just me

 

[bloodshadows]

Personally I'm still leaning towards Savage Worlds or True20 for my next Conan game, but that's just me

My upcoming Conan campaign will be with Savage Worlds. I looked at True20 but in the past year I have pared down my gaming systems to just Savage Worlds. I use it for everything now and it is definately a perfect fit for Conan.

 

[quigs]

I agree. I took a peek over at the runequest forums too, and apparently there are some big problems with that book already, lol. I'm not a fan of d20 anymore, but I'm definately staying clear of RQ after seeing the SRD and the errors in the print edition come to light.

 

[Enpeze]

I agree. I took a peek over at the runequest forums too, and apparently there are some big problems with that book already, lol. I'm not a fan of d20 anymore, but I'm definately staying clear of RQ after seeing the SRD and the errors in the print edition come to light.

There are some problems in the new edition this is correct. But they are just minor. Only a small but very vocal group of negs in the RQ forum seems to have a problem with it. So no reason to stay clear of MRQ.