[Rumor] Conan 2nd Ed to use Runequest system?
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slaughterj
Mongoose
simonh said:
Apparently not well announced, if you have read this thread, you would see. That is the first I have heard of it, and this is a long thread that Mongoose could have easily popped in and noted such, if that is truly the case. How about a link to that announcement?
Actually what it says is that Conan 2nd Edition will be RuneQuest. The online conversion document is mentioned after the statement that previously published sourcebooks won't be re-released under the RQ rules.
I've never known any RPG company to refer to a conversion document as a second edition.
Finally, if that was the extent of it and it was taken out of context, Mongoose could have cleared that up a month-and-a-half and 21 pages ago.
Since the only official reply we've received was (paraphrased) "nothing's been decided" and "we'll/we're carefully considering customer/fan input" I think the rumor started from at least the possibility of the Conan RPG being converted to RQ.
(And in case anyone's forgotten my feelings on the matter: Conan RPG = Good; RQ Conan = Bad)
Azgulor
I've never known any RPG company to refer to a conversion document as a second edition.
Finally, if that was the extent of it and it was taken out of context, Mongoose could have cleared that up a month-and-a-half and 21 pages ago.
Since the only official reply we've received was (paraphrased) "nothing's been decided" and "we'll/we're carefully considering customer/fan input" I think the rumor started from at least the possibility of the Conan RPG being converted to RQ.
(And in case anyone's forgotten my feelings on the matter: Conan RPG = Good; RQ Conan = Bad)
Azgulor
slaughterj
Mongoose
simonh said:
That's a quote from another person's quote rewriting what someone said Mongoose was saying to booth visitors. That doesn't make for much to rely on as an official announcement. That could be one person's interpretation of what he was told, it could be a Mongoose booth-person's interpretation of what he heard, it could a misinterpretation at many stages, merely an idea out of many being considered, or maybe what is actually going to happen. But certainly not an official annoucement.
Was gonna say something but others beat me to it.
Near as I can tell (and by that I mean I'm taking a wild guess) the Mongoose staff have their hands full with just releasing the initial MRQ line and has not made any kind of decision on the subject of what/if/how to blend the MRQ and Conan properties.
Later.
Near as I can tell (and by that I mean I'm taking a wild guess) the Mongoose staff have their hands full with just releasing the initial MRQ line and has not made any kind of decision on the subject of what/if/how to blend the MRQ and Conan properties.
Later.
slaughterj
Mongoose
Ashigaru said:
Looks like not just a conversion doc...but again, major hearsay.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
I don't suppose they would consider releasing two versions of each new book, one the d20 version and one based on MRQ?
Oh, and put me down for a copy of MRQ Conan when(if) it comes out. The Conan books were a major inspiration for my RuneQuest games back in the mists of time.
Oh, and put me down for a copy of MRQ Conan when(if) it comes out. The Conan books were a major inspiration for my RuneQuest games back in the mists of time.
That sounds extremely uneconomical and rather complicated. Consider that each product line has it's own house editor among other office staff. A writer hired for a new product would need to write general content for the product, then would have to edit it in two formats using two different sets of rules mechanics and keep each straight. Now given Mongoose's track record (at least in the Conan line) for proofreading (or lack thereof) this sounds like a big mess waiting to happen. And all for a much more fragmented profit margin than a single release format.
Which is why I think it makes more sense to put up a single conversion doc for those interested. Mongoose hasn't put up any free docs for the Product line in a very long time (since Across Thunder River or Shadizar). This could be a start and would cost relatively little. And maybe it would prompt Mongoose to release some other things (like that AE Hyborian map mentioned in another thread
).
Which is why I think it makes more sense to put up a single conversion doc for those interested. Mongoose hasn't put up any free docs for the Product line in a very long time (since Across Thunder River or Shadizar). This could be a start and would cost relatively little. And maybe it would prompt Mongoose to release some other things (like that AE Hyborian map mentioned in another thread
).slaughterj
Mongoose
Garet said:
And he states it is not a new version of Conan. Maybe it's Kull or something, but regardless, it will be annoying for it to not be compatible with Conan. You lose the synergistic benefits that each game would draw from being able to pull in elements from the other.
I would guess it's a "Conan" sourcebook (rather than a new edition of the game), as given the amount of Conan material Mongoose have it could help sell quite a lot of the more background-intensive d20 books to RQ players if there's something with RQ-centric rules to tie them all together.
slaughterj
Mongoose
Now that would be a good idea :idea:
Sutek
Mongoose
I would guess it's Conan RPG, but re-written for RQ. I further surmaise that Mongoose intend to publish them simultaneously, the RQ version and the D20 version, but the RQ version will merely be a "basics" and essentially amount to the Conan AE conversion for running Hyborian games using the RQ rules. In other words, you won't see all the Conan D20 book get ported over, but it allows Mongoose the "back door" to completely switch the line over should Wizards pull a 4.0 switcheroo on everyone, rescind the OGL and leave many publishers dangling in the breeze.
Sound plausible??
Sound plausible??
Sutek said:
As has been stated before, WotC cannot close the current OGL license. And even if they don't release their 4th edition stuff into the public, any changes they made to the system could easily be reverse-engineered and published using the current license. Unless they release a radically different system (without classes or hit points, for example), but that would no longer be recognizable as D&D/d20 and would alienate a lot of their own customers.
- thulsa
All they can legally do is recind the d20 logo licence (which a lot of people have taken off their products now anyway).
In theory.
There is some chatter amongst d20 publishers that if WotC did start legal mumblings with the release of 4.0, most publishers would not be well placed to be able to fight them in court. Or to put it crudely, Hasbro can afford better lawyers than anyone else. At the end of the day it's not the law that matters, it's what gets decided in court. All it takes is a lawyer who can win over the judge/jury, point them at precident elsewhere, bring in an "expert witness"...
In theory.
There is some chatter amongst d20 publishers that if WotC did start legal mumblings with the release of 4.0, most publishers would not be well placed to be able to fight them in court. Or to put it crudely, Hasbro can afford better lawyers than anyone else. At the end of the day it's not the law that matters, it's what gets decided in court. All it takes is a lawyer who can win over the judge/jury, point them at precident elsewhere, bring in an "expert witness"...
slaughterj
Mongoose
mthomason said:
LOL, the 800 lb gorilla can be difficult to deal with, but the 800 lb gorilla may only pound its chest and not actually pursue a threaten claim where it is attempting to stretch the law, for fear of an adverse judgment.
Whatever you think of him, Monte Cook's two essays linked here offer an observation on the open game license, d20 and it's effect on the industry as a whole: I think it's interesting because he states that OGL has helped WotC as much as the 3rd party vendors who have published products using the license. And he also argues that support is the most important factor for the success of any line.
One thing he says at the end of his argument:
One thing he says at the end of his argument:
Just a thought.
