riftsinger
Mongoose
so far we have seen f5 d6 d7 and a c8 dose any one know what other ships from the klingons the romulans get ? (i think i saw somewhere thay get c7 ,s but i'm not sure if that's after the time when ACTA SF is set )
Romulan kestrel ships
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The Romulans pretty much made conversion plans for all Klingon ships up to and including the B10. Officially they only got D6 (KR), 3xD7 (K7R), 3xD7C (KRC), a C9 (KC9R), and 3xD5 (KDRs) which they converted to D5W (KWR), several F5 (KF5R) some of which they converted to a F6s (KFR), and maybe a couple of dozen E4s (K4R) and some handful of older ships (D4 and F4) that were basically worn out and scrapped once they has Sparrowhawks. They had plans and purchase orders in for E5s (KE5) and E7s (KE7) which if the war did not turn they would have had so they may show up. And then the dream plan for a C7 (KCR) but the Klingons kept all those to themselves and of course the never even started B10 (K10R).
As a side note the Romulans did buy one old Klingon T6 Tug (KRT) which they guarded like their lives depended on it because they sorta did.
Any and all of these ships probably will eventually get ACTASF Ship Stats. I mean the Minis are out there (except the D4 and F4 we will probably never seen those ships) why not wither they are historically bought or not.
As a side note the Romulans did buy one old Klingon T6 Tug (KRT) which they guarded like their lives depended on it because they sorta did.
Any and all of these ships probably will eventually get ACTASF Ship Stats. I mean the Minis are out there (except the D4 and F4 we will probably never seen those ships) why not wither they are historically bought or not.
riftsinger
Mongoose
cool thanks for the info
I could see a discussion thread going up for the "National Guard" ships, but it might have to tie in to whatever is eventually worked out for the Early Years. Especially when it comes to how W- and Y-era tactical warp drives would be ported over into ACtA:SF.
(A KD4R should be limited to the same Y-era warp engines as the D4 it was converted out of, which would mean that whatever choices were made for the former would directly affect the latter... along with every other Y-era hull in the Early Years Alpha Octant.)
(A KD4R should be limited to the same Y-era warp engines as the D4 it was converted out of, which would mean that whatever choices were made for the former would directly affect the latter... along with every other Y-era hull in the Early Years Alpha Octant.)
Nerroth:
my current thought is that the "W" drives will all have the slow trait(because the ships are all conversions instead of new builds). The "Y" drives would have a new trait that allows for a speed of 10"(maybe call the trait "Early Warp" or something like that) because these ships were designed from the keel up to use warp drives. another thing to consider is Disruptor ranges ( i have not set this in stone yet).
my current thought is that the "W" drives will all have the slow trait(because the ships are all conversions instead of new builds). The "Y" drives would have a new trait that allows for a speed of 10"(maybe call the trait "Early Warp" or something like that) because these ships were designed from the keel up to use warp drives. another thing to consider is Disruptor ranges ( i have not set this in stone yet).
One thing you'd have to clarify is what speeds are allowed when using the All Power to Engines! Special Action. The maximum speeds allowed for W- and Y-series ships should be lower than that for a "modern" TL12 vessel.
For the W-series, I would suggest going with a lower set of normal and APtE! speeds, rather than using the Slow Trait.
For what (little) it's worth, I was thinking a 6/9 normal/APtE! split for W-drives, and 9/12 for Y-era ships.
I wouldn't worry too much about adjusting photon or disruptor ranges, so long as the ships weren't allowed to overload them (unless upgraded to the G/L-series National Guard hulls).
Oh, and for sublight Romulans, perhaps a move rate of 4", with no APtE! ability, but no chance of a Dilithium Chamber critical (since there is no tactical warp drive to overload)? In FC, sublight ships have a little more flexibility than in SFB, since they are allowed to move a maximum of four hexes over the course of a single turn rather than just the one.
For the W-series, I would suggest going with a lower set of normal and APtE! speeds, rather than using the Slow Trait.
For what (little) it's worth, I was thinking a 6/9 normal/APtE! split for W-drives, and 9/12 for Y-era ships.
I wouldn't worry too much about adjusting photon or disruptor ranges, so long as the ships weren't allowed to overload them (unless upgraded to the G/L-series National Guard hulls).
Oh, and for sublight Romulans, perhaps a move rate of 4", with no APtE! ability, but no chance of a Dilithium Chamber critical (since there is no tactical warp drive to overload)? In FC, sublight ships have a little more flexibility than in SFB, since they are allowed to move a maximum of four hexes over the course of a single turn rather than just the one.
riftsinger
Mongoose
did they convert the d5's f5's with romulan engines or klingon ?
firekite said:
@Firekite:
I'm not Steve, nor am I ADB - but from years of experience dealing with ADB, I can let you know that this is a no-go.
Their contact with Paramount and the associated Web-policy is quite explicit.
No designs which are currently the IP of ADB may be posted on the web.
Especially designs / stats for units in modules / expansions that have not been introduced into this setting.
For more information, the Official ADB Web Policy can be found HERE!
Discussing or speculating on how future rules might work is one thing but posting playable stats is quite another. Creating and posting your own stats for your own designs is generally considered fine; posting stats for ship designs that already exist is not.
When in doubt, shoot Steve Cole an email about your idea.
When in doubt, shoot Steve Cole an email about your idea.
For the most part they are just klingon engines with Romulan weapons.
The Romulan KWR (the "New Heavy Cruiser" version of the Romulan D5) has a single Sparrowhawk/Skyhawk warp nacelle added. The Romulan-Klingon lines of communication were cut by the time the Romulans were up-converting those ships. That is how it gets a forward firing Plasma-F.
dix said:
Dix I think you got the KFR (F6) and the KWR (D5W) confused. The D5W conversion use a 12 box engine that the Romulans did not build. The F5 engines on the other hand are the same size as the Skyhawk/Sparrowhawk 8 box engines. I am almost positive I read the F6 conversion info somewhere.
As someone involved with a number of the conversion speculation threads floating around, I should note that I asked SVC and Matthew before posting them.
By and large, there is a difference between posting rule suggestions, as well as a handful of sample ships intended to help see how those rules fit together (such as the sample Mæsron units statted up in the Omega discussion thread), and going all-out to "give away the store" by posting entire fleet lists online.
In the case of the Early Years, I would imagine that a similar policy would be in effect; it may be okay to offer a sample W- and Y-era ship or two per empire in order to try and see how a ship from either era might work in ACtA:SF terms, but not okay to go all-out and post up the full array of ships from all three SFB Y-modules.
But if there is to be a proper Early Years discussion, it should be in its own dedicated thread, and not buried in (or ending up hijacking) a different one.
By and large, there is a difference between posting rule suggestions, as well as a handful of sample ships intended to help see how those rules fit together (such as the sample Mæsron units statted up in the Omega discussion thread), and going all-out to "give away the store" by posting entire fleet lists online.
In the case of the Early Years, I would imagine that a similar policy would be in effect; it may be okay to offer a sample W- and Y-era ship or two per empire in order to try and see how a ship from either era might work in ACtA:SF terms, but not okay to go all-out and post up the full array of ships from all three SFB Y-modules.
But if there is to be a proper Early Years discussion, it should be in its own dedicated thread, and not buried in (or ending up hijacking) a different one.
I believe firekite followed the proper procedure and has gotten his answer. I know that we appreciate his asking us.
scoutdad has also pointed to ADB's web policy and that should be sufficient -- always ask prior to posting if you are not sure.
Basic summary -- you doing new ships is fine. You doing new empires is fine, so long as they are not obvious circumventions of the contract. (No Sporg in rectangular ships!) You doing old ships *and publishing them* is not fine. It can get us into trouble down the road.
You doing old ships and playing with them around your gaming table is something we'll never notice -- contrary to what some folks think, no one will beam in and snatch your ship cards out of your hands.
The whole key is to not publish them.
Now if you work up a bunch of Early Years ships in private, then you might contact Matthew and see if they are something he wants to pursue. That is how Nerroth got the Federation Commander Omega tournament playtest ships into production.
Does that help clarify things?
scoutdad has also pointed to ADB's web policy and that should be sufficient -- always ask prior to posting if you are not sure.
Basic summary -- you doing new ships is fine. You doing new empires is fine, so long as they are not obvious circumventions of the contract. (No Sporg in rectangular ships!) You doing old ships *and publishing them* is not fine. It can get us into trouble down the road.
You doing old ships and playing with them around your gaming table is something we'll never notice -- contrary to what some folks think, no one will beam in and snatch your ship cards out of your hands.
The whole key is to not publish them. Now if you work up a bunch of Early Years ships in private, then you might contact Matthew and see if they are something he wants to pursue. That is how Nerroth got the Federation Commander Omega tournament playtest ships into production.
Does that help clarify things?
Jean is correct. i have requested permission from Svc via E-mail. His reply has been received by me in under 24hrs. i was a little surprised he was able to respond as quickly as he did with everything going on.
Scoutdad is correct i will not be posting any shipstats for this. Svc can not allow it without risking problems with Paramount and i will not be the cause of any such problems for him.
Scoutdad is correct i will not be posting any shipstats for this. Svc can not allow it without risking problems with Paramount and i will not be the cause of any such problems for him.
