Goldritter
Mongoose
Again is there a chance to get the PDF and not be registered for the tournament ?
Or must I register even if I can´t be on that tourament ?
Or must I register even if I can´t be on that tourament ?
Questions from the new armageddon tournament pdf
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Slightly Norse John
Mongoose
You'd need a fast, interceptor or dodge equipped ship that could ride out at least some of the barrage, get it's own weapons in range and start chopping them down quickly- the SFoS Sulust maybe?
(Which, incidentally, I don't think is broken- this is the ship supposed to be on the recieving end of that Ka'Toc/Ka'Tan swarm after all. Fit for purpose.)
To my mind, Matt's dead wrong on this call. Improving a fleet by giving it one supership- which is what the Sag now is for it's cost- means you get a fleet of one ultra- hard ship type.
The spirit of the game and the rules of the game exist in a feedback loop. If the rules let you munchkin out, you attract munchkin players- exactly as happened with Games Workshop; bad rules and bad units erode the spirit of the game.
I don't want to see that happen- but this isn't the way to prevent it.
(Which, incidentally, I don't think is broken- this is the ship supposed to be on the recieving end of that Ka'Toc/Ka'Tan swarm after all. Fit for purpose.)
To my mind, Matt's dead wrong on this call. Improving a fleet by giving it one supership- which is what the Sag now is for it's cost- means you get a fleet of one ultra- hard ship type.
The spirit of the game and the rules of the game exist in a feedback loop. If the rules let you munchkin out, you attract munchkin players- exactly as happened with Games Workshop; bad rules and bad units erode the spirit of the game.
I don't want to see that happen- but this isn't the way to prevent it.
CZuschlag
Mongoose
If it's not busted, then, what's the probability now in a tournament of you taking a Dargan instead of the Sulust? Zero? Guess it's straight balanced then .... not.
Two busted ships on two different races, as was pointed out before, don't equal fair, it equals two busted ships. What if you're the League? Or, even worse, single League like the Brakiri or Abbai? Given a beam line of Sulust, what are you going to be able to do as late EA, kiss your Chronos goodbye?
Please don't justify one badly balanced ship with another. That way lies Games Workshop ... er, I mean, madness.
Two busted ships on two different races, as was pointed out before, don't equal fair, it equals two busted ships. What if you're the League? Or, even worse, single League like the Brakiri or Abbai? Given a beam line of Sulust, what are you going to be able to do as late EA, kiss your Chronos goodbye?
Please don't justify one badly balanced ship with another. That way lies Games Workshop ... er, I mean, madness.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
I've yet to see a conclusive argument that proves the Sulust and Prefect are "broken." I think people are just whining because the Centauri get some good ships at raid level.
Apart from me, who ever raises a question about the Narn Ka'Tan from SFoS? 4AD of beams at skirmish level is balanced, but 4AD of beams at raid isn't?
Apart from me, who ever raises a question about the Narn Ka'Tan from SFoS? 4AD of beams at skirmish level is balanced, but 4AD of beams at raid isn't?
msprange said:hiffano said:
Well, to answer your stated question, it is usually because we cannot keep up with the huge amounts of posts on our forums on an hourly basis.
However, what I think you want answered. . .
The PL of a ship is always going to be based upon the context of the fleet it is within. What works for one fleet might not necessarily work for another - think of it this way. You likely have a favourite fleet, but is there a ship from another fleet you would _really_ like in your own (background be damned)? This is because the balance of ships can change if they are moved between fleets.
The reason the Sagittarius is Skirmish is because the overall balance level of the Early Years fleet is a step behind Third Age and Crusade (the latter actually has issues - intentional ones - going in the opposite direction, but I digress). Thus, fleet balance (as opposed to individual ship balance) places the Sagittarius at Skirmish.
Can it be abused? Yes. It is not unbeatable, and there are several very powerful combinations in CTA but it is possible to magnify such effects. Are there balancing factors? Of course. Tournaments usually have a sportsmanship score that will penalise such fleets. On a tactical level, the Sagittarius is _ripe_ for boarding actions, just to throw an example up.
Will it stay like this? For now, yes. But we have a very organic community around CTA which, for my gaming habits, is one of the best things about it. There will be new fleet lists at some point in time and, when they come about, eberyone on these forums will have a chance to weigh in with their opinions. If the Sagittarius is still an issue then (and, please, at least play against the vessel before voting), we'll take another look at it.
Ultimately, this is your game as much as ours, and we value all comments (the bad as well as the good!).
Overall, I am very, very pleased with Armageddon and what it does for the game. I have a little place in my head where I see CTA heading, and what sort of game it can be. Armageddon gets us at least 95% of the way there.
Well, thanks for the response and everything Matt, but well, with all due respect, look around at what pretty much everyone is saying. Ever since the tourney PDF was released, people have been commenting that a skirmish Saggi, is broken, very broken, and now it can have 2 extra dice and missile varients. eep! I appreciate the sporting issue but to some people Winning is all that matters. you might well be lucky and not have the power munchkins in your tourney, although I hope you do to see how devastating 10 saggs are against pretty much any fleet.
the amusing thing is the appolo is supposed to be an upgrade for the sagi but the sagi has it totaly outgunned. if playing battle points you get 3 sagis per appolo, now the appolo can fire evry turn, thats 16 missiles in 2 turns, the sagis if firing out the side do 18 in a turn then can turn forwards and throw another 12 for 30 in 2 turns, and if you play at raid as most people do thats 4 sagis to one appolo. so much for the new tech
also note the warlock has anti fighter on its starboard laser/pulse array instead of twin linked.
also note the warlock has anti fighter on its starboard laser/pulse array instead of twin linked.
Nidalap
Mongoose
I`m sorry. I don`t get it?
you dont have to take sags and if some one dose all the time you dont have to play them. Wheres the fun in a fleet of 1 ship type. So you might win games but is that all that you want from a game? Nah! not for me, rather get beat having fun than win by min/max ing. My advice is to play the game , shake there hand and walk away the better person. All the players I know on this forum are better than that so I consider myself a lucky gamer.
Rant over.
Cheers,
Barry
you dont have to take sags and if some one dose all the time you dont have to play them. Wheres the fun in a fleet of 1 ship type. So you might win games but is that all that you want from a game? Nah! not for me, rather get beat having fun than win by min/max ing. My advice is to play the game , shake there hand and walk away the better person. All the players I know on this forum are better than that so I consider myself a lucky gamer.
Rant over.
Cheers,
Barry
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