Pre paints: the end of do it your self?
- Thread starter lt.harper
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shotgun-toting chipmunk
Mongoose
I doubt it. Hobbyists have a habit of personalizing their stuff, esp. wargamers. It may be prepainted, but that won't keep people from repainting, reposing, and sculpting their own features. Take a look at Old Soldiers MEA, for example, or the USMC models with all the goodies sculpted on to them (can't remember who did them, sorry).
And of course, there's enough people who like the building/painting aspect to keep it going. Shoot, just the other day my wife (a casual gamer) and I had the following conversation while painting SST stuff).
Wife: I think once I finish these, I want to get some more stuff.
Me: Like what?
Wife: Y'know, Warriors, Hoppers. I think I only have, what, three of those?
Me: Yeah. Well, do you want to wait for the pre-paints?
Wife: No! I want to paint them like my bugs!
See, if you get that from a casual gamer, I don't see the hobby aspect dying. Fortunately, Mongoose sees this and is keeping the non-prepaints for SST alive.
And of course, there's enough people who like the building/painting aspect to keep it going. Shoot, just the other day my wife (a casual gamer) and I had the following conversation while painting SST stuff).
Wife: I think once I finish these, I want to get some more stuff.
Me: Like what?
Wife: Y'know, Warriors, Hoppers. I think I only have, what, three of those?
Me: Yeah. Well, do you want to wait for the pre-paints?
Wife: No! I want to paint them like my bugs!
See, if you get that from a casual gamer, I don't see the hobby aspect dying. Fortunately, Mongoose sees this and is keeping the non-prepaints for SST alive.
I agree with the above post, even though I would buy more pre-paints as opposed to do it your self stuff, I honestly believe that the painting, modding, assembling, etc. is a foundation of this hobby, and as such won't go away. I do think that pre-paints could bring more mainstream attention to lines that would otherwise go unseen by the masses, but that is all I can personally say I have seen it do.
How I see it, Pre-paints will introduce lazy gamers (hardcore roleplayers) or action figure collectors.
I think it should be supported for a while with unpainted stuff for us lot that already have half finished armies. Why should we pay for a paintjob we're gonna have to redo anyway?
I can't wait for the pre-paints as they will be better minis mostly. I guess the hoppers and warriors will not change, nor the LAMI and the Exos. But I hear all the skinnies will change.
The introduction of a fourth race creates more depth and brings out a little of Heinlein's background, showing that the galaxy is not limited to bugs and humans (and in the CGI's case, skinnies as well). It also makes for more interesting games, like the late introduction of skinnies did for the game.
I like playing obscure forces that other people do not like so much. I always have done, because of this I got skinnies first, then Bugs, then MI. Simply for demoing, otherwise I would have nothing but skinnies! :lol:
I think it should be supported for a while with unpainted stuff for us lot that already have half finished armies. Why should we pay for a paintjob we're gonna have to redo anyway?
I can't wait for the pre-paints as they will be better minis mostly. I guess the hoppers and warriors will not change, nor the LAMI and the Exos. But I hear all the skinnies will change.
The introduction of a fourth race creates more depth and brings out a little of Heinlein's background, showing that the galaxy is not limited to bugs and humans (and in the CGI's case, skinnies as well). It also makes for more interesting games, like the late introduction of skinnies did for the game.
I like playing obscure forces that other people do not like so much. I always have done, because of this I got skinnies first, then Bugs, then MI. Simply for demoing, otherwise I would have nothing but skinnies! :lol:
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
Like LBH?
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Shadow Queen said:
Oi! Even I don't know if I like to paint models or not, seeing as how I've never done it :lol:
LBH
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
lastbesthope said:
Painted minis have power
lastbesthope
Mongoose
Only if you mix capacitors in with your paint :lol:
LBH
LBH
Shadow Queen
Mongoose
funny that you say that ........
Dredd Times
Administrator
Hi,
Pre-painted models are going to be something that gamers are just going to have to get used too in the near future, simple as that. New computer technology and design methods mean that it is just as simple and often as cheap to produce pre-painted plastic figures and vehicles as it is the raw thing. There are a great deal of pre-painted models out on the market these days from Mongoose Publishings own Battlefield Evolution (and up coming Starship Troopers Evolution), to Rackhams AT-43 and upcoming Confrontation models, and many, many more.
The days of pre-paints looking as if they had been painted by some poor child slave with a 3" brush are also thankfully long gone and even Wizkids mighty Heroclix games are looking better and better with each release (check out Actionclix on their site for a sneak look at the Halo models). Of course you can argue the toss back and forth about pre-paints vs unpainted, in much the same as you can argue about do you play roleplaying games with or without miniatures, it as usual comes down to a matter of personal prefference.
There are good and bad points about pre-painted models, and more often than not they seem to balance each other out. Sure they may not be painted to the colour scheme you had in mind, but you can re-paint them if you are that desperate. The time that is needed to paint and base a platoon of Mobile Infantry Light Armour Troopers could very easily put a new gamer off even starting, whereas pick up a few boxes and they are ready to play out of the box!
More and more companies are investing in pre-painted miniatures and it is even rumoured that Games Workshops up coming Boarding Action (read Space Hulk) will come fully painted and ready to play out of the box when it is released next year.
I personally cant wait for pre-painted Gangs of Mega-City One so I can build up a good sized Judge force
Marc
Pre-painted models are going to be something that gamers are just going to have to get used too in the near future, simple as that. New computer technology and design methods mean that it is just as simple and often as cheap to produce pre-painted plastic figures and vehicles as it is the raw thing. There are a great deal of pre-painted models out on the market these days from Mongoose Publishings own Battlefield Evolution (and up coming Starship Troopers Evolution), to Rackhams AT-43 and upcoming Confrontation models, and many, many more.
The days of pre-paints looking as if they had been painted by some poor child slave with a 3" brush are also thankfully long gone and even Wizkids mighty Heroclix games are looking better and better with each release (check out Actionclix on their site for a sneak look at the Halo models). Of course you can argue the toss back and forth about pre-paints vs unpainted, in much the same as you can argue about do you play roleplaying games with or without miniatures, it as usual comes down to a matter of personal prefference.
There are good and bad points about pre-painted models, and more often than not they seem to balance each other out. Sure they may not be painted to the colour scheme you had in mind, but you can re-paint them if you are that desperate. The time that is needed to paint and base a platoon of Mobile Infantry Light Armour Troopers could very easily put a new gamer off even starting, whereas pick up a few boxes and they are ready to play out of the box!
More and more companies are investing in pre-painted miniatures and it is even rumoured that Games Workshops up coming Boarding Action (read Space Hulk) will come fully painted and ready to play out of the box when it is released next year.
I personally cant wait for pre-painted Gangs of Mega-City One so I can build up a good sized Judge force
Marc
It's a shame, but pre paints is largely the way forward. People now tend to have more cash and less time, and want to spend their gaming time gaming not painting.
People with more free time will continue to enjoy painting, but I know that they are secretly grateful they can just pull stuff out of the box and it is already done to gaming standard. At the moment I'm painting an epic army, and yes, it is time consuming and a pain. If I weren't cheap and a good painter I'd get someone else to do it for me.
I'm interested to hear GW finally confirming Space Hulk 3rd ed or whatever they've decided to call it. Hopefully they don't screw it up.
People with more free time will continue to enjoy painting, but I know that they are secretly grateful they can just pull stuff out of the box and it is already done to gaming standard. At the moment I'm painting an epic army, and yes, it is time consuming and a pain. If I weren't cheap and a good painter I'd get someone else to do it for me.
I'm interested to hear GW finally confirming Space Hulk 3rd ed or whatever they've decided to call it. Hopefully they don't screw it up.
lt.harper said:
They are meant to be the pure basics.
The idea of the AT-43 minis is to add detail if one wants. I am not too interested in the game as it stands, until Red-Bloc come out a bit more, in English.
I believe they inject colours into the plastic during moulding, if you look, there is not much paint on the model that is visable. TBH, over here, I feel AT-43 is not worth the money.
Dredd Times
Administrator
lt.harper said:
It really depends on which shipment of AT-43 you got there. The first batches were not that hot really but later boxes where almost studio quality and if you take a look at the newer releases, especially the Red Blok you will see what I mean.
Marc
Dredd Times
Administrator
As for AT-43 not being worth then money? Well thats up to each individual gamer, but personally speaking I would much rather pay £30 a well painted and assembled Fire Toad than £25 for a bare plastic GW Dreadnought (which will be going up to £30 before then end of the year btw).
The game itself is also great to play and very easy to pick up which is an added bonus.
But each to their own,
Marc
The game itself is also great to play and very easy to pick up which is an added bonus.
But each to their own,
Marc
