Polls being conducted

[Allensh]

There are polls on RPG.net, the RPG Site, EN World and Citizens of the Imperium as to which version of Traveller people are playing. I decided not to put one here as I think its sort of obvious what you lot like <g>, but if you are so inclined feel free to vote at these other places. You can vote for more than one version so if you are playing a hybrid of other versions voye hybrid AND for whatever component parts you might be using. This is about as unscientific a poll as you can get, but it will be interesting to see how many vote and what their preferences are.

Allen

 

[-Daniel-]

Links would have been nice.

Daniel

 

[GamerDude]

Links would have been nice.

Daniel

Agreed... Inquiring Vargr's want to know.

 

[rust]

The CotI version:
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=16596

The RPG Site version:

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=11434

RPG.net version:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=408256

EN World version:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=238056

 

[Allensh]

Thanks rust..I was gettin' there but its very hot today and I'mmmoving a tad slowly.

Allen

 

[EDG]

MGT is way ahead on rpgnet, but it's neck and neck with CT and (Hybrid) on CotI (hardly surprising there).

 

[rust]

Thanks rust...

You are welcome.

 

[TrippyHippy]

How many votes are being cast in each respective poll?

 

[EDG]

How many votes are being cast in each respective poll?

20-60ish so far. Don't expect too many results in these online polls (especially after they drop off the first page of their boards).

 

[Infojunky]

It's not like any of these polls mean anything, half of them you need to be a member of that particular forum to vote which is a screening/selection mechanism......

 

[Allensh]

It's not like any of these polls mean anything, half of them you need to be a member of that particular forum to vote which is a screening/selection mechanism......

well they mean something...they tell us what the members of those forums think. Overall though, the sample sizes of all the polls combined are probably too small to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

Not like its that tough to join those forums...

Allen

 

[AKAramis]

It's not like any of these polls mean anything, half of them you need to be a member of that particular forum to vote which is a screening/selection mechanism......

well they mean something...they tell us what the members of those forums think. Overall though, the sample sizes of all the polls combined are probably too small to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

Not like its that tough to join those forums...

Allen

The COTI poll is above 30 respondents, and therefore a valid sample. It's a skewed sample, but a valid one. (Properly, it's sufficiently large to be indicative of the COTI population.)

 

[EDG]

The COTI poll is above 30 respondents, and therefore a valid sample. It's a skewed sample, but a valid one. (Properly, it's sufficiently large to be indicative of the COTI population.)

How do you figure that exactly? CotI has about 8,800 members, how does a mere 30 even remotely count as a "valid sample"? That's not even 1% of the total population!

 

[far-trader]

The COTI poll is above 30 respondents, and therefore a valid sample. It's a skewed sample, but a valid one. (Properly, it's sufficiently large to be indicative of the COTI population.)

How do you figure that exactly? CotI has about 8,800 members, how does a mere 30 even remotely count as a "valid sample"? That's not even 1% of the total population!

But only 759 active members according to the stats. So that's about 4%...

Breaking news... actually at the moment it's up to 66 voters (so almost 9%)...

...and I think quite indicative of CotI members. But since you weren't surprised at the trend I have no idea what sample size would satisfy you or why you would question it as accurate?

I suspect the data is (or will be) seriously flawed* thanks to the likelyhood of cross site contamination. Like you I'm not surprised by the numbers on CotI, unlike you I'm also not surprised by the numbers on the other sites favoring Mongoose.

* favoring Mongoose since it's the new kid on the block, as far as telling the tale of the preference of any one site

 

[EDG]

But only 759 active members according to the stats. So that's about 4%...

Breaking news... actually at the moment it's up to 66 voters (so almost 9%)...

...and I think quite indicative of CotI members. But since you weren't surprised at the trend I have no idea what sample size would satisfy you or why you would question it as accurate?

Well, he did say "indicative of the COTI population", not just the active parts of it. If you compare it to active membership then over 60 is a lot better .

What amuses me is that CT is way ahead of T20 on the CotI site, which is run by the company that produced T20 (which itself has a poor showing there).

 

[far-trader]

What amuses me is that CT is way ahead of T20 on the CotI site, which is run by the company that produced T20 (which itself has a poor showing there).

I find it sad, not amusing, for the reasons as much as the lack of support which is probably why it's got a low showing.

 

[AKAramis]

The COTI poll is above 30 respondents, and therefore a valid sample. It's a skewed sample, but a valid one. (Properly, it's sufficiently large to be indicative of the COTI population.)

How do you figure that exactly? CotI has about 8,800 members, how does a mere 30 even remotely count as a "valid sample"? That's not even 1% of the total population!

Because that's what ALL of my stats instructors (in HS, undergrad and graduate school) and texts cited as the validity threshold for any group larger than 100... Likewise, the teacher's manuals for all three of the math programs I've been required to teach cite the same, if P>100, N>30 is valid for group P. Below that, typically it's 10%.

It's fundamental to statistical theory that a sample is generally indicative of the larger population. Even when the sample is self-selecting, it's still valid, just not reliable.

Note also: Valid and Reliable are NOT synonyms!

 

[rust]

I do not know most of these boards, and therefore I am somewhat sur-
prised by the results on the RPG Site (CT ahead of MGT) and RPG.net
(MGT far ahead of CT), while the other two results are what I would
have expected as the result of such a poll.

Is there any explanation why RPG Site and RPG.net have that much dif-
ferent, almost contradictory, results ?

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

          CotI       RPGSite    RPG.net    ENWorld
CT        25 37.88%  20 55.56%  14 16.87%  18 39.13%
MT        12 18.18%   3  8.33%  10 12.05%   9 19.57%
TNE        9 13.64%   2  5.56%   9 10.84%   6 13.04%
T4         4  6.06%   1  2.78%   3  3.61%   3  6.52%
GT         7 10.61%   4 11.11%  11 13.25%   5 10.87%
T20        7 10.61%   4 11.11%   3  3.61%   5 10.87%
MGT       32 48.48%  15 41.67%  48 57.83%  28 60.87%
GTIW       4  6.06%   2  5.56%  10 12.05%   7 15.22%
TH         0  0%      0  0%      2  2.41%   1  2.17%
O/H/H     26 39.39%   6 16.67%  18 21.69%  11 23.91%

Voters    66         36         83         46

 

[TrippyHippy]

I do not know most of these boards, and therefore I am somewhat sur-
prised by the results on the RPG Site (CT ahead of MGT) and RPG.net
(MGT far ahead of CT), while the other two results are what I would
have expected as the result of such a poll.

Is there any explanation why RPG Site and RPG.net have that much dif-
ferent, almost contradictory, results ?

Different voters.