Passenger Staterooms: Single Travellers vs Couples

[Condottiere]

This is in addition to allocated hull costs and power requirements.

You can always set up a survival shelter in the cargo hold.

 

[rinku]

That's the two tons per passenger option

 

[Condottiere]

 

[Sigtrygg]

Here is the CT canon for it:

The small craft cabin (2t, Cr. 50,000) is a small, one passenger stateroom for use on longer duration voyages. It can be used double occupancy in a pinch, but the crowding will increasingly affect the abilities of the crew to function as time passes.

Staterooms: Crew and passenger couches allow temporary transportation, up to a maximum of 36 turns in combat (12 hours), and 24 hours for routine operations. For longer periods, staterooms must be provided. Small craft staterooms allow sleeping and privacy at two tons each, Cr.100,000. Such staterooms may allow double occupancy (each person has the facilities for half a day) on non-commercial flights.

staterooms are computed at MCr0.25 and 2 tons per person. It is not necessary to purchase an entire stateroom just to accommodate an odd number of crewmembers; a half-stateroom or large triple-occupancy stateroom can be built.

So 2t per person, or 1t per person but with long term effects on performance, or 0.5t but only for 24 hours.

 

[Condottiere]

Essentials are oxygen regeneration, climate control, and potable water.

Secondary would be rations, and a comfortable resting area.

Generally, you carry your adult entertainment along on a memory card.

 

[swordtart]

Here is the CT canon for it:

The small craft cabin (2t, Cr. 50,000) is a small, one passenger stateroom for use on longer duration voyages. It can be used double occupancy in a pinch, but the crowding will increasingly affect the abilities of the crew to function as time passes.

Staterooms: Crew and passenger couches allow temporary transportation, up to a maximum of 36 turns in combat (12 hours), and 24 hours for routine operations. For longer periods, staterooms must be provided. Small craft staterooms allow sleeping and privacy at two tons each, Cr.100,000. Such staterooms may allow double occupancy (each person has the facilities for half a day) on non-commercial flights.

staterooms are computed at MCr0.25 and 2 tons per person. It is not necessary to purchase an entire stateroom just to accommodate an odd number of crewmembers; a half-stateroom or large triple-occupancy stateroom can be built.

So 2t per person, or 1t per person but with long term effects on performance, or 0.5t but only for 24 hours.

That seems to fit, but seems to imply that the default 4 DTon stateroom is twice as big as it needs to be (but then in CT there were no common areas as far as I am aware.

 

[Sigtrygg]

The 4 ton stateroom is the default for civilian occupancy.

 

[swordtart]

The 4 ton stateroom is the default for civilian occupancy.

But given the TDLR for your post is that staterooms are 2 DTon/ Passenger, the implication is that the default 4 DTon stateroom is designed for two people.

This makes sense as there is economy of scale on such things as freshers etc. and single rooms in hotels are usually actually doubles for which you may or may not pay a single occupancy supplement.

This pushes us to the not uncommon comedy paradigm of two businessmen being forced to share a room when travelling and the awkwardness this promotes (Laurel & Hardy, Trains, Planes and Automobiles, Morecombe and Wise etc.). This could be a rich source of adventures for single passengers who are on a budget (and with a trip costing several times your monthly living expenses it will be for most).

Then again the pricing structure for staterooms has always been a challenge.

It is about to become important as two hard up characters are heading to Collace and they are on a very tight budget but don't want the stigma of travelling Low

As I think I have stated elsewhere, a roughly 2m x 2m x 2m cube was deemed sufficient for up to 4 steerage passengers on the SS Great Britain and the journey was months rather than at most 2 weeks. First class cabins were not much bigger, they just had a larger and more luxurious communal areas (dining room, saloon and promenade deck).

 

[Arkathan]

The small craft room is more like one on a plane or train than a cruise ship.

 

[Condottiere]

If the six square stateroom is default, there are enough passenger demand for single occupancy, raise the price.

 

[phavoc]

But given the TDLR for your post is that staterooms are 2 DTon/ Passenger, the implication is that the default 4 DTon stateroom is designed for two people.

This makes sense as there is economy of scale on such things as freshers etc. and single rooms in hotels are usually actually doubles for which you may or may not pay a single occupancy supplement.

This pushes us to the not uncommon comedy paradigm of two businessmen being forced to share a room when travelling and the awkwardness this promotes (Laurel & Hardy, Trains, Planes and Automobiles, Morecombe and Wise etc.). This could be a rich source of adventures for single passengers who are on a budget (and with a trip costing several times your monthly living expenses it will be for most).

Then again the pricing structure for staterooms has always been a challenge.

It is about to become important as two hard up characters are heading to Collace and they are on a very tight budget but don't want the stigma of travelling Low

As I think I have stated elsewhere, a roughly 2m x 2m x 2m cube was deemed sufficient for up to 4 steerage passengers on the SS Great Britain and the journey was months rather than at most 2 weeks. First class cabins were not much bigger, they just had a larger and more luxurious communal areas (dining room, saloon and promenade deck).

Going vertical for beds is a concept unknown to most people outside of childhood, few colleges these days, or the military. But it's actually very good way to utilize otherwise wasted vertical space as well as share fixed items such as the head. So when you go vertical for the sleeping portion, your actual usable space goes up since you don't need to waste it on things like beds.

Trains (or RVs) are a good example of civilian transport where you fold up a bed to modify your existing space. Things like sinks folding into walls, or even beds going into floors/ceilings is also another example of 3-D thinking that we so often just don't think about because our houses aren't configured like that.

 

[Condottiere]

 

[swordtart]

4 Dton is 4 x 17 cubic metres. Assuming the standard 3m height that gives over 22 square metres (over 250 sq ft). That is a pretty big room.

For comparison NYC Apartment

That looks like plenty of space for a couple to share for a 2 week vacation without difficulty. You could probably trade that sofa for a sofa bed and accommodate a couple of rug rats as well - though that fire escape might become very attractive after a while

Something else that occurs to me is that High Passage have meals provided. That means both higher quality food than you can self prepare, but also means any space allocated for food storage and prep (though to be fair with autochefs that is probably far more compact that real-life) can be eliminated creating even more living space. We need very little other storage locally as we have that 1 DTon in the hold that we can get the steward to access if necessary, and it is not like we need outdoor clothes etc. Add another 5 square metres of common area per stateroom for dining (and probably High passengers will get preferential access to that as a salon outside dining hours) and it becomes even more spacious.

You can get even more space with fold down beds and rearranging the furniture and if you have a chap to do all that for you it isn't really even an inconvenience. After the evening meal head down to the salon for a came of cards, book or stimulating conversation over a few drinks while the steward makes up the room for sleeping and then retire when you are ready. While you are at breakfast the steward can make up the room for daytime.

Until my late 20's I'd have happily traded in the actual accommodation I could afford for that much space, let alone as temporary accommodation

 

[Sigtrygg]

One displacement ton is usually mapped as two deck squares.

One displacement ton in MgT is 14 cubic metres.

4 displacement tons is 4 x 14 = 56 cubic metres, or if you prefer cubic feet 4 tons is close to 2,000 cubic feet.

Using 5' by 5' by 10' you get 50 cubic feet floor area per displacement ton. 4 tons gives you 200 square feet.

Using the 1.5m by 1.5m by 3m deckplan dimensions you get 4.5 square metres of floor per displacement ton. 4 tons gives 18 square metres.

if you instead go with the floor area of a 56 cubic metre space that has a 3m ceiling height then you get 18.7 square metres of floor area

 

[swordtart]

One displacement ton is usually mapped as two deck squares.

One displacement ton in MgT is 14 cubic metres.

4 displacement tons is 4 x 14 = 56 cubic metres, or if you prefer cubic feet 4 tons is close to 2,000 cubic feet.

Using 5' by 5' by 10' you get 50 cubic feet floor area per displacement ton. 4 tons gives you 200 square feet.

Using the 1.5m by 1.5m by 3m deckplan dimensions you get 4.5 square metres of floor per displacement ton. 4 tons gives 18 square metres.

if you instead go with the floor area of a 56 cubic metre space that has a 3m ceiling height then you get 18.7 square metres of floor area

Oops. Misremembered that, should have checked first, I was more focussed on the other issues (extra common area, not having to have cooking facilities - and just cooking in a room means it automatically degrades it a little as you can't escape the smell of burnt toast).

I was 80% correct (and that's good enough for a college degree)

 

[Condottiere]

You could gravitate both the floor and the ceiling.

Thus, doubling usable space.

 

[MasterGwydion]

I am waiting for the gravity boots which makes "down" whichever surface your boots are on. Would take some getting used to but would be cool as hell. lol! Not sure on TL. Fairly high though, I would assume.

 

[Terry Mixon]

I am waiting for the gravity boots which makes "down" whichever surface your boots are on. Would take some getting used to but would be cool as hell. lol! Not sure on TL. Fairly high though, I would assume.

Just go with gecko gripper boots. That’ll do the trick!

 

[swordtart]

Gecko Pads still don't help drinking your pint when upside down

 

[MasterGwydion]

Gecko Pads still don't help drinking your pint when upside down

Or the Fabricated Coffee...lol...