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Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
On the other hand, they have the White Star Fighter... surely the best fighter in the game, bar none.
not really, it can be dogfought by raziks, nials, black omegas which are all as good as them, or better fighters include the shadow fury and light minbari fighter.
most of the above come in greater numbers too.
add in the fact alot of fleets get flet carriers earlier (like raid) and even starfuries can match a WS fighter for dogfight as well as come in greater numbers.
some of the best fighters in game now are Rutarian, shadowfury, WS fighter, firebolt
most of the above come in greater numbers too.
add in the fact alot of fleets get flet carriers earlier (like raid) and even starfuries can match a WS fighter for dogfight as well as come in greater numbers.
some of the best fighters in game now are Rutarian, shadowfury, WS fighter, firebolt
Greg Smith
Mongoose
The WS fighter isn't quite as good as it was. The anti-fighter rules nullify its advantage somewhat.
The ISA still have significantly less ships than most fleets. WS do make good scouts, but the Leshath and Delphi are better. Or an ISA player may want skirmish level scouts. Or breaching pods.
Or you could just consider the allies rule as Babylon 5 'colour'.
The ISA still have significantly less ships than most fleets. WS do make good scouts, but the Leshath and Delphi are better. Or an ISA player may want skirmish level scouts. Or breaching pods.
Or you could just consider the allies rule as Babylon 5 'colour'.
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noobdelux
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victor romeo said:
that explains it havent gotten my dirty hands on that one yet
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
Not like ISA can take Centauri ships, though, is it? :wink:
Methos5000
Mongoose
Im curious at the decision to make the Rutarian one of the best fighters in the game (granted I havent seen any of the new fighter stats but several have stated its the best one now.) Was it made so good to cover some of the Centauri shortcomings? (ie. they seem to be shorter range now, so they have good figther to rush in and cause some damage before the big ships get in) It seems that the importance of Centrauri fighters would have been lessened as time went on with all the drakh influence and their complete lack of fighters.
Celisasu
Mongoose
The Centauri are influenced by the Drakh but their R&D facilities are still their own. Just because the Drakh don't like fighters doesn't mean the Centauri don't. The Centauri have probably been quite happy to apply some of their new Drakh technology to their own designs just like I'm sure that races such as the Narn and Drazi aren't turning their fleets into White Stars, instead going their own paths with the tech the Intersteller Alliance is supplying.
Methos5000
Mongoose
I suppose the would be true, but would the Centauri have the resources to build the best fighter in the galaxy? It would seem to me the Drakh would have most of their ship building resources diverted to shipbuilding even if they did manage to divert some resources and build them using some drakh/shadow technology would it be so superior to the Whitestar fighter build using Minbari/Vorlon technolgy? Which is how it sounds now, given the Whitestar fighter was toned down, from the best fighter not worth the cost to what seems to be more of a top end fighter but by no means superior.
Im not saying the Whitestar fighter must be the best one around, but im curious why the Rutarian was upgraded while the Whitestar fighter was downgraded (from what I have read on the forums, I dont know either stats, but its seems clear from the boards that the Rutarian is hands down the best fighter in the game now.) Have the Sentris and Raziks been downgraded? The Centauri already had one of the better dogfighters in the game with the Razik and the Rutarian was already a decent fighter.
It wouldnt bother me if the Whitestar fighter and the Rutarian were equal in power as that would make sense, given the political situation its very likely those two fighters would be meeting in combat.
Like I said before, Im just curious at the decision. Is the Rutarian better to cover some shortcomings of the new Centauri, a shortcoming the ISA may not have so it doesnt need a stronger fighter?
Im using the ISA as an example because those are the only fighters I have really seen discussed recently (the Rutarian upgraded and the Whitestar fighter downgraded).
Im not saying the Whitestar fighter must be the best one around, but im curious why the Rutarian was upgraded while the Whitestar fighter was downgraded (from what I have read on the forums, I dont know either stats, but its seems clear from the boards that the Rutarian is hands down the best fighter in the game now.) Have the Sentris and Raziks been downgraded? The Centauri already had one of the better dogfighters in the game with the Razik and the Rutarian was already a decent fighter.
It wouldnt bother me if the Whitestar fighter and the Rutarian were equal in power as that would make sense, given the political situation its very likely those two fighters would be meeting in combat.
Like I said before, Im just curious at the decision. Is the Rutarian better to cover some shortcomings of the new Centauri, a shortcoming the ISA may not have so it doesnt need a stronger fighter?
Im using the ISA as an example because those are the only fighters I have really seen discussed recently (the Rutarian upgraded and the Whitestar fighter downgraded).
the whitestar has more overall power than a rutarian and is better at dogfighting as well as being faster. the rutarian fills a differant role.
theres alot of good fighters out now, firebolt and shadowfury amongst them.
the WS fighter is no longer the best, just one of the best.
theres alot of good fighters out now, firebolt and shadowfury amongst them.
the WS fighter is no longer the best, just one of the best.
Methos5000
Mongoose
Ah okay, thats fine, I was just worried that the ISA was going to lose out on High end Figther capablility, the Shial sounds good, but getting that nice stealth means it had to have lost firepower, and I wasnt sure if the ISA would get the Firebolt or not (Im thinking not since they got the Shial but I could be wrong there), but as long as they can remain competitive in the fighter category (especially in dogfighting to protect the Whitestars) then Im happy.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Thanks for clearing that up.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
it's not that the Rutarian was deliberately made into "the best fighter"
The Rutarian was always supposed to be an advanced Centauri stealth fighter. However in 1st ed it wasn't worth taking because a) it was so expensive b) Raziks were the dogfight choice par excellence c) it wasn't very stealthy (especially with the Armageddon changes) and d) with 1AD wasn't much of a bomber
It is still more expensive than the Sentri and Razik but worth it now. If you want a dogfighter you'll still pick a Razik. If you want a multi-role defensive fighter a Sentri. But for attacking enemy ships the Rutarian is best.
As for the Drakh. They have nothing to do with it. The Rutarian was built in time for the War of Retribution with the Narn. They were deployed on the Dargan Strike Cruisers. The Centauri had them before the Drakh took them over.
The Rutarian was always supposed to be an advanced Centauri stealth fighter. However in 1st ed it wasn't worth taking because a) it was so expensive b) Raziks were the dogfight choice par excellence c) it wasn't very stealthy (especially with the Armageddon changes) and d) with 1AD wasn't much of a bomber
It is still more expensive than the Sentri and Razik but worth it now. If you want a dogfighter you'll still pick a Razik. If you want a multi-role defensive fighter a Sentri. But for attacking enemy ships the Rutarian is best.
As for the Drakh. They have nothing to do with it. The Rutarian was built in time for the War of Retribution with the Narn. They were deployed on the Dargan Strike Cruisers. The Centauri had them before the Drakh took them over.
Methos5000
Mongoose
Ah, well I dont have access to the books right now so I was unaware of the ISDs for the respective fighters. My only concern was that some of the talk on the boards made it sound like it was superior to everything out there, Katadder has cleared up that misconception for me. The rest of the stuff with the drakh was more a fluff issue, but if it was released prior to them taking over then there is no issue there.
If I am understanding it better now, it seem the Whitestar Fighter is more a space superiority fighter, great at dogfights and such but the Rutarian seems to be more of an anti-ship fighter.
If I am understanding it better now, it seem the Whitestar Fighter is more a space superiority fighter, great at dogfights and such but the Rutarian seems to be more of an anti-ship fighter.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Da Boss said:also Raxiks can't intercept incoming fire like the other two and Rutarians can't "come back" due to Fleet Carrier - the Balvarian can carry the other fighters.......... They have done a good job of making three distinct and useful fighters for the Centauri.
Rutarians can be recovered by a Balvarin if you buy them as an upgrade for your sentris
Tzarevitch
Mongoose
katadder said:
Since you mentioned other races getting fleet carriers, does the T'Rann get any better? It was a decent combat ship but a lousy carrier. It had too few flights to be a serious carrier, even at raid.
How about the Gorith fighters? I always though these things were pretty useless. Same speed and half the firepower of a frazi but with only a negligalble increase in dogfighting. If it is supposed to be dogfighter it should be competent, not just barely better than the anti-shipping fighter.
Tzarevitch
the t'rann now carries 8 flights (and has carrier 2 IIRC).
as for goriths being only one better as the dogfighters, thats how it works in every race. your dogfighters are one better than your others - starfury +2 T-bolt +1, razik +3 rutarian +2 - notice the trend. narn just obviously are not built for dogfighting
as for goriths being only one better as the dogfighters, thats how it works in every race. your dogfighters are one better than your others - starfury +2 T-bolt +1, razik +3 rutarian +2 - notice the trend. narn just obviously are not built for dogfighting
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