Noooooooooo (Bk 13 Erratas)

[SnowShadow]

Got my copy today. Thanks.
I shall keep sarcasm to a minimum:
Action Chart; only space for 8 Backpack Items (not 10? Description under how to use says 10)
Weaponmastery Checklist (Not Grand Weaponmastery)
Weapons list described +2CS Weaponskill Bonus & -4CS Unarmed penalty - Not Applicable.
Grandmaster Skills and Grandmaster Rank at least are correct (i.e. not Magnakai).
(And in the text Deliverence CS Less than 8, etc. (Not EP) I know already mentioned.
Magnakai Weaponmastery description states no CS loss for unarmed combat... but under how to use your equipment the -4CS penalty for being unarmed appears, as with just being armed with bow as well as on Action Chart as mentioned.

However, thankyou for clearing up the coinage issue - other currencies are of different (smaller) size so that your belt pouch can carry 50 Gold Crowns WORTH of whatever mixed currencies, not just 50 COINS as mention previously.

I am too scared of what I may find to read further.

 

[coreystinson]

I am too scared of what I may find to read further.

Probably it is past time to admit that for $30 or whatever what one gets is a sub-standard, poorly edited product which happens to have nice cover art and a nice hardback binding. The fact that these problems persist book after book suggests that there is no real quality control process in place, and the fact that we keep buying them anyway suggests that none is needed.

Clearly I will have to keep all of my originals paperbacks around as well for reference as I cannot possibly imagine the number of errors that have gone unfound thus far.

 

[AguilaSaber]

The backpack list bug is new.

Grand weaponmastery was already wrong before in Red Fox Edition. Listed +3 in list and How to use Equipment but +5 in the Grand weaponmastery section.

Personally I don't think Weaponmastery is fully wrong. It is a list of which weapons you have mastered. A character carrying over a character without having completed all adventurers before may have a partial list of Weaponmastery weapons here.

Deliverance text has always been wrong and is wrong in every book ever published regardless of series.

How to use your equipment bugs are mostly new, but it did list the wrong bonus for Grand weaponmastery before (+3 instead of +5).

By the way is the combat example with the Doom wolves corrected? It is horribly wrong in the Red Fox edition.

The coinage problem was resolved already in book 10 I believe. Only book 8 and 9 has the wrong rules text before this was corrected.

 

[SnowShadow]

Personally I don't think Weaponmastery is fully wrong. It is a list of which weapons you have mastered. A character carrying over a character without having completed all adventurers before may have a partial list of Weaponmastery weapons here.

That thought did occur afterwards; the only problem is when it is also used for Grand Weaponmastery too unless instead of a tick you write the bonus.

 

[T.Y.A.]

On the plus side, at least it isn't "The Plaque Lords of Ruel", Lonewolf battles an ancient race of druids hell bent on the eradication of dentists across Magnamund. :wink:

Somewhat diappointing that errors are still creeping into really basic things like action charts. It's all well and good for those of us who have the original printings to reference, but I do feel sorry for the new Lonewolf converts who're having to pick through and work out what's what.

@SnowShadow: Have you dared to read through yet?

 

[Awesomness]

I think I found one or two more:

1 - my book doesn't have a Random Number Chart
(Not a big deal because I usually use a die anyway, but what if you didn't have one handy?)

2 - Section 227 asks you to "Study the grid of numbers." Then turn to the section of the correct answer. At least in my book there is no grid to study. This may have been something already listed in the older versions of the book but I don't have mine handy to check right now.

That said, I really did like the bonus adventure - in tone and structure. I liked the characters and situations and even the opportunity to loose by winning. Congratulations to the author.

 

[Angantyr]

2 - Section 227 asks you to "Study the grid of numbers." Then turn to the section of the correct answer. At least in my book there is no grid to study. This may have been something already listed in the older versions of the book but I don't have mine handy to check right now.

There should be a grid of numbers there yes. See the Project Aon version: http://www.projectaon.org/xhtml/lw/13tplor/sect227.htm

 

[Lycanthus]

Personally, I've given up expecting anything other than shoddy quality control and really obvious mistakes. Not a single book has been error free so why should this suddenly change? Every release involves people being disappointed with some really annoying errors. Then somebody from Mongoose pops up and apologises profusely stating they're trying their best. We forgive them and say it's all okay really. Then the next book comes out and it begins again...

Now I just buy the books and hope for a minimum of mistakes. Oh well.

 

[Paladin]

However, thankyou for clearing up the coinage issue - other currencies are of different (smaller) size so that your belt pouch can carry 50 Gold Crowns WORTH of whatever mixed currencies, not just 50 COINS as mention previously.

Forgive my ignorance, but is the difference that significant?

 

[BlackCat]

However, thankyou for clearing up the coinage issue - other currencies are of different (smaller) size so that your belt pouch can carry 50 Gold Crowns WORTH of whatever mixed currencies, not just 50 COINS as mention previously.

Forgive my ignorance, but is the difference that significant?

Yes it is. One gold crown (g¢) worths 4 Lunes (£n), and one g¢ worths 10 Kikas (K$). So if you carry 50 K$ coins, it is as if you were only carrying 5 g¢. That 50 coins limit makes no sense since you can kill Drakkarim that are carrying much more than just 50 K$. Why would a single Drakkar be allowed to carry more cash than you?

 

[SnowShadow]

Agreed BlackCat couldn't have put it better!

T.Y.A. - no I haven't read it yet; kind of waiting to get all the books first and then read them all in one big go. Begining to feel worried about Bk29 now. I hope there won't be any errors that cannot be easily be recitified or understood.

 

[Ferital]

I'm glad I stopped buying Mongoose Lone Wolf books after book 4. Too much disappointed by the poor quality of the edition.

 

[AguilaSaber]

The books are generally error free.

The type of errors you are seeing are usually present in earlier books as well, although often they are different errors in those books.

There is no such thing as an error free book. They are just as non-existent as error free software programs.

 

[SnowShadow]

You are right as ever Aguilasaber! The books are generally error free.
Paladin, the other reason I put about the coins was that I hate to be so negative all the time with criticisms. Nothing is error free and I can live with errors that are easy enough to work out - the only real ones are being sent to the wrong reference or wrong skill option asked; like in previous Captives of Kaag where you are asked for Kai Surge instead of Kai Screen (let's hope that is sorted). The rest are minor grumbles, like when I watch the Lord of the Rings and mutter "Saw-ron" under my breath evrytime I hear "Sour-Ron" - sounds too much like Harry Potter to me. I expect their pronunciation is correct but when I read it many moons ago that was how I thought it should sound, just like the cartoon version.
Another positive I like a lot of the artwork I'm seeing inside Book 13, the Vazhag Lancer and Acolyte of Vashna are pretty good although Cadak looks a bit like a girl to me: Not read it yet, just looked at the pictures.
Things can only get better right?
We all make mistakes, just like me not noticing the coin capacity fix. :lol:

 

[WritingWolf]

Ok the loss of the Random Number Table is something I can live with as I use a 10-sided die for ease of use, though it should be included as it is in every single book!!

As for the loss of the diagram in Section 227 - come on Mongoose, please get it right.

Red Fox managed to get it right and they were printing them first time out. All you have to do is copy the excellent (and faultless) Project Aon work. Is that too much to ask?

I know we shall all keep on buying the books because we love Lone Wolf, we want the final 4 books and the bonus adventures. Frankly though I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth it.

Hardly a book goes by without yet another error ruining them. One or Two every few books is fair enough, printing errors are quite common in books after all. But all you have to do is copy the Project Aon work - and there are loads of errors in every single book!!!

This is really starting to annoy me. As this is not a story-breaker I suppose nothing will be done about it, but I am not a happy customer.

(By the way, Section 158 also has the same riddle - the diagram is there if you need it. The original Red Fox book also has the diagrams too. For the answer read on)


Spoilers



The answer is 15, so you may want to write it down in that section.

 

[Awesomness]

I want to echo what Writing Wolf has said (and thank you for the section number with the graphic)... Even with an acknowledgment of great customer service and thanks for even printing the books - I have to say that the errors are starting to grate on the nerves. I once worked in quality assurance and realize that you can never get anything completely error free, but even I am beginning to question Mongoose's process. (At least that would be my guess.) Individual or even group QA/Editors can make mistakes. That is just the human factor. But with a good process a lot of that can be mitigated. Even with the human error, there are some mistakes that should never happen, and certainly not repeated. On the last note, I give Mongoose credit. They have been pretty good at not duplicating errors. The surprising thing is the variety of new errors... I guess I don't have a cogent point with all of this except to express my concerns and disappointments. I still love the books, and I am a Mega Deal customer. I don't know what the real hangup is but there have been several great recommendations, and even offers (volunteers - that means free), for correcting the situation.

 

[SnowShadow]

I agree. I never thought I'd see Bk29 and am over the moon(stone) that it is being published at all. If there is any way I/we could help to make the books as error free a possible then let me/us know. Personally I would rather delay the books a few months whilst these checks are made and get it pretty much right first time. We are lifelong fans and we can spot basic errors in seconds - for example I instantly noticed the wrong number of Backpack spaces on the Action Chart for Bk13, something that your publishers might not pick up on. Surely between us we could get it right,? After all we are all on the same team pulling in the same direction, there is huge database of Kai knowledge on this Forum alone and many of us know fans from other websites (e.g. Tower of the Sun) that would be willing to help. I appreciate that too many would not be such a good thing but the point is we all care so much about Lone Wolf and that is why we can be so critical, perhaps you could give us the chance to redirect our passion into a more positive manner and let us help? We're cheap! As the saying goes, though; 'volunteer doesn't mean amateur'.

 

[Arkansaw]

Wow, I just got the book and certainly, these retards can't get a single book right. Seriously considering the option of getting the printers copy and taking matters into my own hands

 

[WritingWolf]

Just read the bonus adventure - as always it's brilliant!

I suppose we have the original books to read for the "proper" Lone Wolf story, or the Project Aon internet versions. Just wish Mongoose got the reprints right :-(

Actually I'm glad the new books are taking so long - if there is an error in there we won't know till it's too late.

The pluses from the book are great artwork (though I must admit I prefer the original version of Mogaruith , the new version is very under-whelming. Much like Torgar in that respect) and a really good bonus adventure.