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[MaxSteiner]

Lol cheers Combatdroid

For the record if Tneva manages to calm down and delete some of his insane rantings it might be an idea to edit our posts and pretend it didn't happen, no reason why everyone has to see Tneva's dirty laundry :lol:

 

[combatdroid113]

Lol cheers Combatdroid

For the record if Tneva manages to calm down and delete some of his insane rantings it might be an idea to edit our posts and pretend it didn't happen, no reason why everyone has to see Tneva's dirty laundry :lol:

nah i stand by what i said. btw did you see the post about the smaller sst stuff?

 

[MaxSteiner]

Woah just looked at that, thats a bit hairy, basically all you were doing was asking a question, and you'd already made it clear you were returning to the forums after a break...

.. maybe Tneva's trying to make up for something and the mention of things being smaller drove him off the deep end :lol:

 

[tneva82]

I don't know about you, but I tend to have the rulebook when Im playing a game.... I don't see how having it on a PDF document is in anyway more convienient.

I don't know about you but I don't like pouring over rules when I want to check unit stats...

By the way. I assume you know that if they hadn't gone this way old players would be in exactly the situation you mentioned? Having only stats for initial releases for some time...Let me show it with example:

SST:evo gets launched. You get the rules. You want to play 2000 pts battle with your cap platoon vs arachnids with brain bugs and whatnot...You check for stats...You don't find them! You have only LAMI, grizzly, arachnid warrior and tanker stats! You are forced to wait for 3 months to wait for them AND buy the rulebook...

Now instead you get them right off AND you don't need to buy rulebook to see if game works for you or not...

Add to this all the stuff they can add to rulebook to free space left from unit stats and this system is superior in every way to having them there...There's simply no bad side to it. Unlike if they were in the rulebook(having to wait 3 months before getting to play SST:evo properly for one thing! If Mongoose wants SST:Evo to be succesfull having old players able to use their old armies certainly helps.)

 

[tneva82]

nah i stand by what i said. btw did you see the post about the smaller sst stuff?

There's btw proof that won't happen. Mongoose said from the beginning most of the sculpts will stay same. Only some units(certain skinnies and hoppers being main ones) get resculpted. Same sculpt=same size. Same size, same look, only difference being they are plastic(in case they were metal before. If they were plastic before then only thing they might have changed is different mould if it helps prepainting...If not they didn't change anything as far as model goes).

There's PROOF sst models will stay same sized unless you think they create 2 different sizes INSIDE sst:evo. Now that would be dumb I'm sure you agree.

Facts speak against your theory of sst models getting smaller. You haven't provided any shred of facts supporting your theory so all you are doing is spreading false theories to cause panic among SST fans. Are you trying to kill the game or what?

 

[MaxSteiner]

Actually I tend to use something called the contents and these things called bookmarks...

And I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick, Im not anti free PDF downloads, im just not to keen on the main rulebook having no stats in it.

I'm willing to buy an army book for the forces I play, because it saves me having to print out all the pages, and allows me to have a nice looking sturdy referance without going down the copy shop.
But even better in my opinion was a rulebook with all of the lists in it, infact it was one of the things which made the restart bearable. Hence my comment numerous times that imho since nothings been finalised yet, now is the time to raise points like these.

 

[combatdroid113]

Are you trying to kill the game or what?

No you're doing such a nice job yourself.

Max im with you on the pdf why not make a book? seems silly you'll have all these printouts everywhere makes me think of bad photocopies. We will look as though we were to cheap to buy the book and went and photocopied a mates.

Where have all the old players gone Where is Razack and ScipoAmerica?

 

[tneva82]

But even better in my opinion was a rulebook with all of the lists in it, infact it was one of the things which made the restart bearable. Hence my comment numerous times that imho since nothings been finalised yet, now is the time to raise points like these.

So you would rather wait for being able to play sst:evo rather than starting from scratch?

Dunno. I don't find 3 months of LAMI&grizzlies vs warriors&tankers that appealing.

There's no bad sides on having them on PDF(certainly they give you same result). Unlike having them in rulebook(it would take longer to get the unit stats for one. And then we wouldn't have the stuff we will now have in rulebook as space would be taken out by unit stats that are in inconvinient place to begin with...)

 

[MaxSteiner]

nah i stand by what i said. btw did you see the post about the smaller sst stuff?

There's btw proof that won't happen. Mongoose said from the beginning most of the sculpts will stay same. Only some units(certain skinnies and hoppers being main ones) get resculpted. Same sculpt=same size. Same size, same look, only difference being they are plastic(in case they were metal before. If they were plastic before then only thing they might have changed is different mould if it helps prepainting...If not they didn't change anything as far as model goes).

There's PROOF sst models will stay same sized unless you think they create 2 different sizes INSIDE sst:evo. Now that would be dumb I'm sure you agree.

Facts speak against your theory of sst models getting smaller. You haven't provided any shred of facts supporting your theory so all you are doing is spreading false theories to cause panic among SST fans. Are you trying to kill the game or what?

Actually Combatdroid did quite accuratly mention the fact that, at the start BF:Evo was going to be the same size, before being the scale changed. You know that too because you flew off the handle at him for it!
If the BF:Evo size could change, why not the SST size?

Also the plastic models for SST can have their size changed whilst still retaining the same sculpts, since they still have the over sized production masters! I thought that was common knowledge?
Lets be honest alot of the lead sculpts need to be redone dont they? And the ones which dont might actually look even better being a bit bigger than the rest of the line...

Not that I personally believe for a minuite Mongoose would change the size of SST, as you say it'd pretty much kill the system, and Matts said they wont many times, but if you'd taken the time to read Combatdroids posts you'd know that he was returning to the game after a hiatus and was basically fishing for some info...

But even better in my opinion was a rulebook with all of the lists in it, infact it was one of the things which made the restart bearable. Hence my comment numerous times that imho since nothings been finalised yet, now is the time to raise points like these.

So you would rather wait for being able to play sst:evo rather than starting from scratch?

Dunno. I don't find 3 months of LAMI&grizzlies vs warriors&tankers that appealing.

There's no bad sides on having them on PDF(certainly they give you same result). Unlike having them in rulebook(it would take longer to get the unit stats for one. And then we wouldn't have the stuff we will now have in rulebook as space would be taken out by unit stats that are in inconvinient place to begin with...)

Im not sure what you're saying really. it would take longer to get them out? You have the rule book in your hand, you turn to the page they're on. You're way, you put the rule book down, pick up the printouts and turn to the page... Same difference, neither one is easier :roll:

This is a rules update, exisiting players would be able to play the game with the existing stats, which would gradually be replaced by the yet more refined and playtested ones as time goes on.

Also if you had the ability to take in what people are actually saying you would have read in the paragraph behind the one you freaking quote that I have no problem with a free PDF, I just would really prefer that they're in the main rule book!

 

[combatdroid113]

Combatdroids posts you'd know that he was returning to the game after a hiatus and was basically fishing for some info...

not the bites



hey Max you remember my Cougar company on the lava? what do you think of that theme.

 

[tneva82]

Actually Combatdroid did quite accuratly mention the fact that, at the start BF:Evo was going to be the same size, before being the scale changed. You know that too because you flew off the handle at him for it!

So obviously they changed the plans.

If the BF:Evo size could change, why not the SST size?

Bussiness logic? Why RESCULPT models they are perfectly happy with? They have said they like the exosuit models so why scale them down? Only reason would be to piss off old customers and only reason to do that would be to kill SST. This is too expensive method to kill a game.

Also the plastic models for SST can have their size changed whilst still retaining the same sculpts,

And I assume you know BF:evo and SST:evo model difference isn't just size(which isn't that much difference if you factor in bases) but PROPORTIONS!

You don't change proportions without resculpt. You know, how long arms are, how big weapons are compared to rest of body...Those are the real killers in BF:evo as they are realistic while SST has so called heroic scale which makes them appear bigger than same scale with realistic propositions.

Oh and LAMI were btw in list of no-resculpt...Try to rescale range when pure human model is still in old scale...Not going to work without LAMI looking silly.

Lets be honest alot of the lead sculpts need to be redone dont they?

Most of the line(exception being skinnies line which will get several resculpts) won't be resculpted. No reason for that. Would be just expensive waste of resources aiming just to kill SST.

Why would Mongoose spend lots of money with sole intention of killing SST?

Explain logic in that.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Unfortunatly a mispent youth has completly frazled my mind and the ol' memories not what it used to be
Do the pics still exist somewhere on this forum?

====>TNEVA Once again you seem to have quoted me, without actually reading the post you're quoting

Not that I personally believe for a minuite Mongoose would change the size of SST, as you say it'd pretty much kill the system, and Matts said they wont many times, but if you'd taken the time to read Combatdroids posts you'd know that he was returning to the game after a hiatus and was basically fishing for some info...

What is wrong with you?

Theres plenty of sculpts that need redoing, Heroes of the MI, Female MI, MI vetrans, Ml1 Neodogs, Skinny slave, Brain bug etc etc.
They need to be redone, because they didn't sell last time round and/or had some major design faults.

 

[combatdroid113]

So obviously they changed the plans.

Ta that would have done from the outset mate. You really need to check your 'tude. When BF:Evo was announced a few including my self went psycho. I regret that now. I have stayed away from the game and looked at boxed figures screaming to be painted for too long. Dont make me think that this has become a forum of frothers man.

 

[tneva82]

Im not sure what you're saying really. it would take longer to get them out? You have the rule book in your hand, you turn to the page they're on. You're way, you put the rule book down, pick up the printouts and turn to the page... Same difference, neither one is easier :roll:

SST:Evo release schedelude:

Month A: Initial releases
Month A+1: Second wave
Month A+2: Rulebook, third wave(or was it month A+3)

Notice that rulebook comes later.

If they are in rulebook you will have to wait for rulebook to get stats for all the units. Have fun playing with only part of your armies...

Me? I will be playing with my full armies from the start rather. I won't wait that long before I can play SST:evo enjoyably. And I don't concider skirmishes with 2 unit types per armies enjoyable having 8k MI and 6k arachnid armies. Heck I don't have 3k armies of LAMI or exosuits or warriors&tankers. Or even 2k(minimum size I bother to play). Well actually I have that for LAMI but not for grizzlies and not for warriors&tankers.

This is a rules update, exisiting players would be able to play the game with the existing stats, which would gradually be replaced by the yet more refined and playtested ones as time goes on.

Uhhuh. No. It might be rules update but you would still have different unit stats. How do marauders work in new edition? They are going to get major change for example. Point values would be all over the place...Games would hardly be balanced and ergo not enjoyable.

I just would really prefer that they're in the main rule book!

Why? Only effect that would have is to have them in more inconvinient place and delay getting all the stats for SST:evo.

 

[combatdroid113]

Why? Only effect that would have is to have them in more inconvinient place and delay getting all the stats for SST:evo.

cant he have an opinion? :?

I mean he may like the idea (i do too) that you can get the rules everything in one foul hit and read it at your leisure instead of carting around a library.

 

[MaxSteiner]

How is it more inconvienant?
just because you cant mark your pages and read a contents page doesnt mean other people can't.
Dont just say it, explain it.

And for the third time: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING AVAILABLE AS A FREE PDF I JUST WOULD PREFER IF THEY WERE ALSO IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK!
(Or Armybooks)

 

[combatdroid113]

My 10 cents. PDF equals no fluff damn damn damn.

I mean where do you find 90% of 40ks fluff its in their army books.

 

[tneva82]

cant he have an opinion? :?

Why would ANYBODY prefer getting same stuff later than faster?

Don't YOU want to get idea of SST:Evo rules faster?

If they were in rulebook you would a) get idea of wether SST:evo is good or not 3 months later b) have to buy rulebook to top of that(now you can find that out from free PDF's).

I mean he may like the idea (i do too) that you can get the rules everything in one foul hit and read it at your leisure instead of carting around a library.

Same amount of pages to carry around so it's not like you are carrying library any more than if they were in rulebook...Actually you can REDUCE number of pages you have to carry. I for one don't need skinnie or forth stats for ages yet(don't have even complete MI and arachnid armies) so I just leave them to PDF and concentrate on MI and arachnid.

You carry max same amount of library with you or in general smaller.

 

[tneva82]

My 10 cents. PDF equals no fluff damn damn damn.

If they had to remove them from rulebook due to size issues you can be sure they wouldn't add any fluff there...Putting them to PDF actually increases chances of getting fluff there as they don't have to worry about such a thing as maximum page count they can put to rulebook...

 

[combatdroid113]

fluff costs money man, they wont give too much away for free.