New Star Wars Mod thread

[CraftyShafty]

Weeeeell, the only reason I mention it is that most groups I've joined *don't* ask for a 'reason' to join, and since I did put something in the 'tell me why you want to join' form (and thus not a bot), I was a little miffed to be rejected by the moderator...

 

[pixelgeek]

Weeeeell, the only reason I mention it is that most groups I've joined *don't* ask for a 'reason' to join,

I can't be held responsible if you join groups that don't take active measures to prevent spammers.

and since I did put something in the 'tell me why you want to join' form (and thus not a bot), I was a little miffed to be rejected by the moderator...

You're being disingenuous. Your response to the questions was a very snarky response about the process and if you're miffed about not being accepted I might suggest not being so sarcastic and dismissive when you attempt to join a group.

Your response to the question was the *precise* reason why your application was denied. Why would I want to allow someone into a group when they introduce themselves in such a fashion?

 

[CraftyShafty]

Your response to the questions was a very snarky response about the process and if you're miffed about not being accepted I might suggest not being so sarcastic and dismissive when you attempt to join a group.

Your response to the question was the *precise* reason why your application was denied. Why would I want to allow someone into a group when they introduce themselves in such a fashion?

That's funny, you had just said it was to stop spambots.

If I bother to go to come to these forums, then go to the yahoo group, then go through the application process, I'm pretty sure I'm showing an interest in joining. It also shows I'm not a spambot.

If you really think people need to "be approved" by you simply to join a group like that, my above statement about delusions of grandeur still appears to hold up.

My mistake in showing an interest in the game and the group, though! Enjoy!

 

[pixelgeek]

If you really think people need to "be approved" by you simply to join a group like that, my above statement about delusions of grandeur still appears to hold up.

You need to learn to read.

If you have anything further to say about this PM me instead of wasting people's time with this.

On second thought... don't bother PMing me either.

 

[CraftyShafty]

My previous post was intended to be a private message. My apologies to the forum for extending this 'discussion' further.

 

[Locutus9956]

if your looking for star wars info (though cant vouch for its accuracy as with any wiki) try Wookiepdia

 

[chaos0xomega]

Force bless Wookiepedia!


Good resource. I'm using it extensively for writing up my own Star Wars rules.

 

[demiurge]

Well, Wookiepedia is a complete resource, and in that it sometimes highlights the inanity of the Star Wars EU.

For example, there's a big chunk in the Battle of Endor about how IG-88 transferred his droid conciousness into the main computer core of the Death Star, and was about to take over the Empire if he hadn't been stopped by its destruction. Evidentally Palpatine and the Rebels were unaware of this going on. LOL.

Personally, in my own version of Star Wars that exists in Demi's head, that never happened.

 

[chaos0xomega]

Yeah, I never really enjoyed that bit of fluff on IG-88. In fact, I didn't even remember it happened until you reminded me, thanks a lot :evil:

Talk about Deus Ex Machina LOL :roll:

 

[Slightly Norse John]

For detail and accuracy, try a combination of Star Wars Technical Commentaries (run by an astrophysicist) and Stardestroyer.net (run by a mechanical engineer.)
Hardline rationalism, "Burn the EU" types. Great.

 

[chaos0xomega]

I hate those 'Burn the EU' types. They argue this and that but can never really truly prove it without some type of hole in it. Like the guy from the Technical Commentaries saying how slow Hyperdrive really is and that it takes years to get anywhere, and yet it is contradicted many times by the books and movies.

 

[Celisasu]

For detail and accuracy, try a combination of Star Wars Technical Commentaries (run by an astrophysicist) and Stardestroyer.net (run by a mechanical engineer.)
Hardline rationalism, "Burn the EU" types. Great.

I love Stardestroyer.net. Especially their forums. If ever I need a good laugh I just need to go there and I'll find the most innane stuff being stated as gospel truth and it'll bring a smile to my face. It has to be the strongest concentration of insane Star Wars fans on the face of the internet. I haven't visited in awhile, are they still saying that Star Wars hand weapons are kiloton level and that Star Wars clothing can resist that level of firepower?

 

[Slightly Norse John]

Chaosomega, where are you getting that from? That sounds more like the hatemail section from SDN. Whatever the source of that is, it's not the technical commentaries.

Celisasu, you have your take on it and I have mine- but for the record; the stormtrooper standard blaster carbine fires a bolt that, the estimate is about 8 MJ- nine hundred grams of TNT equivalent. This estimate was based on the size of the chunks blown out of docking bay 94.
Personal shielding is rare but not nonexistent- also, for the record, stormtrooper armour is usually not enough to protect against a direct hit. It does give NBC and fragment protection, which becomes more important when your weapon is actually powerful enough to turn bits of the landscape into shrapnel.
Are you sure you're not strawmanning?

 

[sidewinder]

A bit off topic, Hey Matt, if the Abbai are getting shields will the vorlons get better ones?

And I Get what Chaosomega is saying, if star wars weapons were that powerful it should have took leias arm off in RotJ, and Hans blaster should had damn near vaporised that scout troopers head. One reason I dont care much for saxtons sight, too many inconsistancies, he only takes the best evidence for his side and uses that, he forgets all about the weaker stuff. And offically only the movies are cannon, the books dont mean jack as far as Lucas is concerned.

 

[Celisasu]

Chaosomega, where are you getting that from? That sounds more like the hatemail section from SDN. Whatever the source of that is, it's not the technical commentaries.

Celisasu, you have your take on it and I have mine- but for the record; the stormtrooper standard blaster carbine fires a bolt that, the estimate is about 8 MJ- nine hundred grams of TNT equivalent. This estimate was based on the size of the chunks blown out of docking bay 94.
Personal shielding is rare but not nonexistent- also, for the record, stormtrooper armour is usually not enough to protect against a direct hit. It does give NBC and fragment protection, which becomes more important when your weapon is actually powerful enough to turn bits of the landscape into shrapnel.
Are you sure you're not strawmanning?

Except if their weapons are that powerful why weren't people more seriously injured after being shot by those blasters? I prefer the old standby that the special effects guys wanted things to look cool and as such didn't worry about internal consistency in the movies. Sometimes you just can't apply science to things and Star Wars is one of those things. I love Star Wars. I just find it funny how people want to apply scientific analysis to something that can't be scientifically analyzed.

 

[Slightly Norse John]

Actually, that's one of the SDN crew's main complaints; not enough wounded, not enough dismemberments. Part of Leia not getting splattered has to be put down to character shielding, mostly to the notion that the bolt didn't burst properly until it passed by and hit the bunker wall behind her.
Canon in Star Wars; there are four levels of canon.
G ("George")-level, Lucas- approved personally; basically, the movies and, sub-G, the novelisations of the movies.
C ("Canon")-level, not inconsistent, superseded by the movies and novelisations ofwherever there is any doubt, but essentially accepted.
S ("Secondary")-level, most of the EU, especially WEG and WOTC game derived.
U-level, apocrypha and contradicted sources, also things like fanfic.

 

[Celisasu]

G-Canon C3P0 is scary. We've concluded he can move the sun(if you watch the movies, the sun changes position in a matter of seconds when he's around) and that he can break the 4th wall(you can see the cameraman on his metal sometimes). :wink:

He's definately a First One. A very powerful First One.

 

[sidewinder]

I know thats why the main characters are never badly injured from weapons fire, but when it comes to trying to make measurements of power output you cant use "character shielding" as an argument. In Real life that stormtrooper would be trying to kill her as best as he could.

 

[High Sierra]

I dunno./.... I served with some soldiers that were bloody awful shots!

if the balloon ever went up you would have found me a long way behind them, just to make sure i didnt get shot by my own side!

 

[demiurge]

If there complaint is there isn't enough damage being done in the movies, isn't that in itself an indication that their analysis is wrong? The movies are the highest form of canon.

Some of the mental gymnastics these folks use to justify their thoughts is quite simply fascinating.

My favorite comes from the very beginning - the holy asteroid. TL bolt strikes asteroid in the asteroid belt in ESB, annihiliating it. Proof that TL bolts do damage in the gigaton range supposedly. And of course if the TLs do that much, then the big turret TLs must be an order of magnitude higher, right? Forget the fact that we never see them fire in the film.

However, contrast that with the other shot we see hitting an asteroid - a TIE fighter shot that hits a rock spire on a larger asteroid while pursuing the Millenium Falcon. It makes the rock glow, not causing any substantial damage or even melting it. Certainly no more than kilowatt in energy release.

Yet the TL from the ISD and the laser cannons from the TIE are both threats to the MF? How does that work exactly?

It doesn't. Because they are just two SFX shots, not a documentary, and the ILM folks didn't pay any attention to relative power levels.

Trying to establish real science behind the SFX shots is a fun intellectual exercise, but all it does is prove there isn't any internal consistency - the guys making the movies aren't scientists, they simply want to tell a good story with interesting visuals.