Greg Smith
Mongoose
OnlyTheShadowKnows said:
Sorry, didn't mean to yell.
The question Matthew asked was about new models, though.
New Ships - What Would You Like to See?
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Sorry, didn't mean to yell.
The question Matthew asked was about new models, though.
Slightly Norse John
Mongoose
Officially adopt Rich Bax' supplements. Absolute must.
Otherwise, we've already seen fan stats for the Orieni- the HKs now start to make sense again-
lots of Raiders that might actually be capable of conducting effective piracy instead of the frankly absurd fleet selection they already have,
the Yolu,
the Kor-Lyan,
the Hyach,
Thirdspace Aliens,
and the Cascor.
(I don't count the Pak'ma'ra- the proposed fleet lists I've seen so far were so heavily gunned they made the Dilgar look noobish.)
The player base has already put in a lot of creative effort on this. Go us. All Mongoose has to do is the hard, boring bit of drafting and typesetting and printing. Hmmm. Maybe that's why they haven't been officially adopted?
Apart from that, yes, smaller ships for late EA and Minbari, a broader selection for the Vorlons and Shadows, the Juyaca, and...hell yes, there almost certainly is an arms race, with every side scrambling to outdo the others. There will be gaps filled in fleets and ruthless exploitation of existing advantages. Picture a version of the Tigara with Dilgar bolters.
And stop overloading the upper end of the scale. Really. Put the Shadow Omega and Warlock back.
Otherwise, we've already seen fan stats for the Orieni- the HKs now start to make sense again-
lots of Raiders that might actually be capable of conducting effective piracy instead of the frankly absurd fleet selection they already have,
the Yolu,
the Kor-Lyan,
the Hyach,
Thirdspace Aliens,
and the Cascor.
(I don't count the Pak'ma'ra- the proposed fleet lists I've seen so far were so heavily gunned they made the Dilgar look noobish.)
The player base has already put in a lot of creative effort on this. Go us. All Mongoose has to do is the hard, boring bit of drafting and typesetting and printing. Hmmm. Maybe that's why they haven't been officially adopted?
Apart from that, yes, smaller ships for late EA and Minbari, a broader selection for the Vorlons and Shadows, the Juyaca, and...hell yes, there almost certainly is an arms race, with every side scrambling to outdo the others. There will be gaps filled in fleets and ruthless exploitation of existing advantages. Picture a version of the Tigara with Dilgar bolters.
And stop overloading the upper end of the scale. Really. Put the Shadow Omega and Warlock back.
Bubba Ho-Tep
Mongoose
Well, I'll throw my 2 cents worth in,
Vorlon Planet Killer
Legend of the Rangers baddies
Thirdspace
Jumpgates
I'm so busy putting together my current stuff, it doesn't really matter. I'll probably buy it anyway.
Vorlon Planet Killer
Legend of the Rangers baddies
Thirdspace
Jumpgates
I'm so busy putting together my current stuff, it doesn't really matter. I'll probably buy it anyway.
Tyrel Lohr
Mongoose
The one set of ships that I would probably buy would be Alacans, though I don't know if they even exist in the ACTA continuity or not. The bonus would be that they could be used for both the Alacans and Abbai both, so you would be hitting two races at the same time -- plus the freighter ship could be used as a raider vessel, allowing it to be used in three fleets.
Other than the Alacans, I might be tempted to pick up a Thirdspace capital ship or Babylon 4 (if they are reasonably priced and the models look good).
Otherwise, the only other ship that I think needs to appear is the Drazi Stareagle/Wareagle. Give the poor Drazi their little ship!
Granted, I am not your target audience here. The only Mongoose mini I have bought is the Orion Station, and I have only bought a few of the books (and only one of those were ACTA related).
But my love for the Alacans is probably high enough to get me to purchase those ships.
EDIT: Okay, I could go for a Brakiri Corumai or Cidikar based on the original AOG illustrations for these ships (and not the ones from the Ship Guide that Mongoose put out). The Corumai would look very nice indeed...
-Tyrel
Other than the Alacans, I might be tempted to pick up a Thirdspace capital ship or Babylon 4 (if they are reasonably priced and the models look good).
Otherwise, the only other ship that I think needs to appear is the Drazi Stareagle/Wareagle. Give the poor Drazi their little ship!
Granted, I am not your target audience here. The only Mongoose mini I have bought is the Orion Station, and I have only bought a few of the books (and only one of those were ACTA related).
But my love for the Alacans is probably high enough to get me to purchase those ships.
EDIT: Okay, I could go for a Brakiri Corumai or Cidikar based on the original AOG illustrations for these ships (and not the ones from the Ship Guide that Mongoose put out). The Corumai would look very nice indeed...
-Tyrel
OnlyTheShadowKnows
Mongoose
Greg Smith said:
LOL: Its okay, I was just kidding.
-OTSK
I still think it would be cool!
hamtonjpig
Mongoose
Well, no one else has said it, so I can be slightly original. I'd love to see the White Star scout that Sheridan piloted in "Sleeping in Light". I'm getting tired of using the Vree for all my scouting when I could have these guys instead. A little Skirmish level scout with just a touch of stealth and dodge sounds just right. I also harumph the notion of the Valen and Liara. Too many of the same old White Stars gets to be boring. (Oh, and thank you, Mongoose for the new carrier, fighter, and gunship. Good step in the variety direction.) Of course, another way to add variety is not with ships at all, but to add more of the war leaders with various tactical advantages. Also, having named ships would be nice too. Delenn aboard her WS would be skewed to fighting the Drakh. WS 1 with Sheridan against the Shadows, WS 2(I'd just love to see the marker on that one) with Sheridan against EA, Ivanova and her WS to scout with stealth, and WS 40 (Maria) with carrier ability and 2 Nials would all add a little spice to games. Just one of these would be allowed per fleet though. These are just ISA examples, but you could just as easily expand out to others. Just think of all the EA ships you could have.
Oh, maybe you're asking, where would we put such one-off ships? How about in a decent starter set? You know, one where it actually teaches you the real game and you can learn and be immediately interested. I found the last one to be a complete waste of time, but I'd certainly buy another one if I knew any of the ships I mentioned were going to be in there. Maybe just one 8X10 sheet of counters with some nifty unique ships? THAT is the new product I would like to see.
Oh, maybe you're asking, where would we put such one-off ships? How about in a decent starter set? You know, one where it actually teaches you the real game and you can learn and be immediately interested. I found the last one to be a complete waste of time, but I'd certainly buy another one if I knew any of the ships I mentioned were going to be in there. Maybe just one 8X10 sheet of counters with some nifty unique ships? THAT is the new product I would like to see.
Twin-Linked Aldades
Mongoose
hamtonjpig said:
The first one can be painted on actually, and the Maria is 27 not 40 :wink:
hamtonjpig
Mongoose
Lord Aldades said:
I don't trust my painting skills, especially on the markers. If I could find a way to print on the same paper, that has Photoshop written all over it.
And you were right about WS 27. WS 40 was, "The whitestar Commander Ivanova used in 2261 on her trip from Babylon 5 to the resistance fleet staging area when she took command of the resistance fleet after Captain Sheridan had left to rescue his father." So there's another to add to the list.
OnlyTheShadowKnows said:
Presumably most telepath ships would be EA based anyway (seized at the outset of war, perhaps already seconded to Psi Corps) control.
I suppose for game purposes you could have some special rule to cover their unique abilities, but the ships themselves are liekly to be close enough to be identical models.
Perhaps some shadow-tech based smaller ships?
Goldritter
Mongoose
Some Ships I like to see :
- EA (Troop-)Tranporter like the Condor.
- Cascor ships.
- The ships of the Minbari Protectorate (which were variants of the standart Minbari ships and older Minbari vessels)
- Belt Alliance Ships (would be a nice fleet to play against Rangers)
- The Ancient Ships from AOG´s Wars of the Ancients.
- Old EA Ships (before the Dilgar War)
- more civilian Ships
- EA (Troop-)Tranporter like the Condor.
- Cascor ships.
- The ships of the Minbari Protectorate (which were variants of the standart Minbari ships and older Minbari vessels)
- Belt Alliance Ships (would be a nice fleet to play against Rangers)
- The Ancient Ships from AOG´s Wars of the Ancients.
- Old EA Ships (before the Dilgar War)
- more civilian Ships
I agree with the things listed above......
Liandra and Valen would add interesting rangers skirmish- and battle-ships respectively...... Also the Liandra class would give the rangers something to use pre in-service date of the white star..as they definitely existed before then.
The hand; not too enamoured of the design, but I suppose it could be worse (Brivoki?). The problem is you really have no background to add anything else to them. There was never a war on the scale of the Drakh war - 'future history' of babylon 5 was pretty well mapped out by the end of the series and it was never mentioned - so where do they fit?
As for the Thirdspace...hmm....thirdspace aliens fighters seemed to be on a par with whitestars, the capital ship obviously never got to strut its stuff....potentially you could have a campaign with them versus the first ones, though.....telepathic influence (mmm, shiny) rules would be good.
Earth Force 1?
Might try some special rules for psi corps msyelf, actually.
Black omegas are easy enough, add in modified hermes for the transports and liners with some wire aerials for the motherships and you're good to go.
Access to a fighter-less shadow hunter would be quite shiny as well....
Liandra and Valen would add interesting rangers skirmish- and battle-ships respectively...... Also the Liandra class would give the rangers something to use pre in-service date of the white star..as they definitely existed before then.
The hand; not too enamoured of the design, but I suppose it could be worse (Brivoki?). The problem is you really have no background to add anything else to them. There was never a war on the scale of the Drakh war - 'future history' of babylon 5 was pretty well mapped out by the end of the series and it was never mentioned - so where do they fit?
As for the Thirdspace...hmm....thirdspace aliens fighters seemed to be on a par with whitestars, the capital ship obviously never got to strut its stuff....potentially you could have a campaign with them versus the first ones, though.....telepathic influence (mmm, shiny) rules would be good.
Earth Force 1?
Might try some special rules for psi corps msyelf, actually.
Black omegas are easy enough, add in modified hermes for the transports and liners with some wire aerials for the motherships and you're good to go.
Access to a fighter-less shadow hunter would be quite shiny as well....
crucible_orc
Mongoose
the ship the psi Corps fans want is called Mothership Alpha. it's a very heavily modified Spaceliner hull(the big round one). There were supposed to be 2 of them floating around in hyperspace, only coming out for repairs. theye were to remain hidden until the "enevitable" war with the normals. in hte series, they were used to ferry Pis cops to and fro.
I'd Like to see:
"A View From hte Galley" Aliens
Cascor
Pak'ma'ra
JUmpgate minies
Thirdspace aliens
I'd Like to see:
"A View From hte Galley" Aliens
Cascor
Pak'ma'ra
JUmpgate minies
Thirdspace aliens
I'd like to see
1) More ISA Ships, Liandra, Valen and the Enfili to fill out the ISA ranks.
2) More optional fighters, or fighter variants, particularly for the LoNAW fleets.
3) Breaching Pod models for each race.
4) Space Station and Defense Satellite models for each race.
5) A Campaign Setting for the previous Shadow War. Focusing on Shadow, Drakh, Minbari, Vorlon and Ancients Fleets. Use many of the same models, with new fleet lists and revised stats. Include a special Bablyon 4 model to go with it. Maybe even include a Technomage Pinnace.
6) Psi-Corp as a faction. I think this would be a fun faction to play, maybe not spectacular performing ships, but the psychic tricks they have make up for it. Even if they really weren't that overt. It's just that they're so good at covering up their actions we never really know of their overt actions. :wink: You can use a mix of EA ships with some modified EA ships as well as a modified Civilian Liner to make a Mothership.
1) More ISA Ships, Liandra, Valen and the Enfili to fill out the ISA ranks.
2) More optional fighters, or fighter variants, particularly for the LoNAW fleets.
3) Breaching Pod models for each race.
4) Space Station and Defense Satellite models for each race.
5) A Campaign Setting for the previous Shadow War. Focusing on Shadow, Drakh, Minbari, Vorlon and Ancients Fleets. Use many of the same models, with new fleet lists and revised stats. Include a special Bablyon 4 model to go with it. Maybe even include a Technomage Pinnace.
6) Psi-Corp as a faction. I think this would be a fun faction to play, maybe not spectacular performing ships, but the psychic tricks they have make up for it. Even if they really weren't that overt. It's just that they're so good at covering up their actions we never really know of their overt actions. :wink: You can use a mix of EA ships with some modified EA ships as well as a modified Civilian Liner to make a Mothership.
I would like to see the EA not get anymore ships. they have plenty, please flesh out the other races. And by that i dont mean the centauri or narn, they have a decent number also. I'm thinking the indepedent league fleets, and the shadows. The EA and ISA shouldnt be focused on to the point where they outpower every-one else. just because they were the heroes of the show, does not mean they need to be the top fleets in this game.[/u]
Nightmares about Minbari
Mongoose
Hey Sock, don't forget the Vorlons, they need more ships too! especially the more specialist ship types, carriers, scouts, hang on, I've said this before....
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
crucible_orc said:
The Psi-Corps has more ships during the Crusade era, even though it´s supposed to not exist anymore (it does, and has been given a secret offensive fleet before it was officially disbanded).
They have a Space-liner conversion called a "Death Wagon", and it seems that they have a couple of those (see the Lost Tales for details)
chaos0xomega
Mongoose
OnlyTheShadowKnows said:
Very true. Very Very Very VERY true. Please don't turn into GW and make the EA your ACTA posterboy's(Space Marines, *ick*)
Personally, I would be glad to see alternate hull versions for some ships, specifically the most commonly used ships, just to spice things up a tad. And more love for non-EA fleets.
And how about some rules for customizing ships with different weapons loadouts, or extra armor, or enhanced speed(you should of course be limited in what you can do. For example, you can't combine better weapons and/or armor with enhanced speed. Better Armor decreases speed, etc.). Basically just a 'replace system', as in I replace these E-mines for 'spatial distortion mines' for example(just because I don't know what other sorts of mines there are).
And new fleet lists for existing fleets. Like specialized fleets for specific tasks kinda deal.
And new fleet lists for non-existing fleets!
