Military ships and crew

[swordtart]

Only if you dice them finely.

 

[rinku]

Yeah, that has been done, historically...



Although I guess that's technically Stables...

 

[phavoc]

First define Time-Limited some of the troops going to FFW traveling from Corridor were on ship for close to a year. Plus Marines assigned to ships are routinely placed in Barracks in Traveller ship designs. Then you have ships like the Mercenary Cruiser where the ship is home and they spend years on ship going from mission to mission. Plus if they are passengers and only on ship for short duration doing nothing but waiting for drop why have training facilities? Your logic doesn’t work.

You do realize that you made my point?

Troops traveling for a year in barracks-style accommodations while crew get cabins? Mercenary troops relegated to being stacked like cordwood as their living quarters while other ships crew get 2 man cabins? Even for volunteers this will engender poor morale amongst the cannon fodder.

The interpretation of the rules like this runs smack into the reality that such things are highly unlikely to exist. Bad rules are just that - bad rules - and when they are contraindicated by common sense they should be revised. Troops assigned to serve aboard a ship should have the same cubeage as anyone else of their same rank. Troops being transported by the ship (temporarily) should be the only ones occupying barracks.

Assigned and transported by are two entirely different issues. My logic works quite well because it's, yanno, logic.

 

[tytalan]

I would certainly not object if the rules were re-written to say that only basic passengers (such as embarked troops) could use Barracks, but once you explicitly include marines and "ships troops" and vague comments about "other function" it all becomes a bit random.

Like in my original post I see this as an option only on military vessels it takes more discipline for it to be viable than most civilian crews have.

 

[Terry Mixon]

You do realize that you made my point?

Troops traveling for a year in barracks-style accommodations while crew get cabins? Mercenary troops relegated to being stacked like cordwood as their living quarters while other ships crew get 2 man cabins? Even for volunteers this will engender poor morale amongst the cannon fodder.

The interpretation of the rules like this runs smack into the reality that such things are highly unlikely to exist. Bad rules are just that - bad rules - and when they are contraindicated by common sense they should be revised. Troops assigned to serve aboard a ship should have the same cubeage as anyone else of their same rank. Troops being transported by the ship (temporarily) should be the only ones occupying barracks.

Assigned and transported by are two entirely different issues. My logic works quite well because it's, yanno, logic.

One thing that has to be taken into account, and that has been mentioned earlier, is that the restricted space of a barracks is suitable for military ground pounders and needs to come with expansive other spaces for them to spread out in. The barracks are simply rack space, not living space.

 

[Fluffy Bunny Feet]

Like in my original post I see this as an option only on military vessels it takes more discipline for it to be viable than most civilian crews have.

What about crews manned by little people? They need less volume. Now imagine PC's trying to invade a ship in battle armour and finds the corridors are narrow and the ceilings 4' high.

 

[Terry Mixon]

What about crews manned by little people? They need less volume. Now imagine PC's trying to invade a ship in battle armour and finds the corridors are narrow and the ceilings 4' high.

 

[tytalan]

The interpretation of the rules like this runs smack into the reality that such things are highly unlikely to exist. Bad rules are just that - bad rules - and when they are contraindicated by common sense they should be revised. Troops assigned to serve aboard a ship should have the same cubeage as anyone else of their same rank. Troops being transported by the ship (temporarily) should be the only ones occupying barracks.

Here’s the part your missing the concept of troops being ‘transported and temporarily’ doesn’t exist a year about ship is not temporary that just doesn’t make common sense. Travel times in Traveller prevent to concept of temporary.

In Submarines E-4 and below are housed in barracks style housing they don’t get private rooms or two to a room. While on ship you have a bunk and a locker nothing else. Yes it’s an aster way of living but subs don’t have a ton of extra room just like navel starships. You have to earn the rank to live more comfortably.

Also historically Mercs tend to live more comfortably than actual military it has to do with the ability to leave anytime instead of having to work out a term of service.