Merchant Prince

[dreamingbadger]

Just arrived Looks good so far, I haven't had a chance to delve into the commercial entity rules, or 10 steps for success... but the brief skim looks good, as does the art. which is much improved, still simple line drawings but quite clean.

 

[apoc527]

Gah! How are you getting this stuff so quickly? Must be ordering directly from the Goose. This is what I get for going through Amazon...

 

[dreamingbadger]

I do, that and I live in the village next door to them ... where as you live a 10 hour airline flight away.. though I have to say I prefer Seattles resteraunts

 

[Cyphr]

In my best Igor of Dork Tower:


It Must Be Mine!

I hope this means it's coming soon to the States

 

[Techno-Guru]

Meh, if it gets to my doorstep before May 24 I'll be pleasently surprised but at least I have Reign of Discordia also on order.

Anyway, what else do we get? What kind of new ships are there? Any rules on different types of business or does it assume all companies will haul freight?

 

[dreamingbadger]

Ok... Read this a bit more last night... there is a wonderful section on "debt and bancruptcy" and how it effects character generation... it has a nice table ... only one thing, I can't see how you get into debt in character gen... what am I missing?

 

[AndrewW]

Ok... Read this a bit more last night... there is a wonderful section on "dept and bancruptcy" and how it effects character generation... it has a nice table ... only one thing, I can't see how you get into debt in character gen... what am I missing?

Medical expenses.

 

[Jacqual]

I miss Northlake Taverns Pizza it is so good mmmmmmmmm.
back on topic I want Merchant Prince too please lol, I have to order mine soon.

 

[dreamingbadger]

Ok... Read this a bit more last night... there is a wonderful section on "debt and bancruptcy" and how it effects character generation... it has a nice table ... only one thing, I can't see how you get into debt in character gen... what am I missing?

Medical expenses.

hmmm, not particularly convinced... you would have to have a lot of medical expenses, and there isn't that much to cause them, also bearing in mind that you have to give up being a merchant and all your benfit rolls if you are bankrupted... it almost feels like there should have been a "trade system" as part of char gen.. but it got dropped, and the table is kind of an artifact of that

 

[BP]

Medical expense are incurred from injury and aging crisis.

Some folks like high skill level characters and want Anagathics to counteract aging losses. These expenses can easily exceed benefit rolls.

Also, I recently played a Merchant character - who rolled a bankruptcy on the mishap table!

So these situations may not be the norm - but they certainly occur.

 

[dreamingbadger]

Sure, in the core rules, not in Merchant Prince, not a single event that causes bankruptcy and even if it did; why a table on it? ... if it is an event codify it in the event

The aging crisis can happen in any character as can injury... but in MP you generally get quite a lot of money as a muster out benefit... why would you not just use that to pay of your medical debt...

 

[BP]

Sure, in the core rules, not in Merchant Prince, not a single event that causes bankruptcy and even if it did; why a table on it? ... if it is an event codify it in the event ...

Well, now, that clarifies what you posted, a bit!

You mention events - but what about Mishaps (my PC was a Merchant and went Bankrupt from a Mishap - Core rules, of course).

Is the section/table general for any career - or just MP?

 

[dreamingbadger]

Events and Mishaps no Bankrupt outcome, there is no opprtunity to lose money, except from injury.

The Table effects Merchants, as it explictly calls out merchant rank

 

[rust]

Events and Mishaps no Bankrupt outcome, there is no opprtunity to lose money, except from injury.

In the core rules for the merchant career, result 6 mentions that the cha-
racter was driven into bancrupcy, and four of the other results (ruined by
a competitor, trade routes and contacts destroyed, ship or space port de-
stroyed, forced to close down the business) could easily be interpreted as
bankrupcy, too.

So rules for bancrupcy seem to make sense at least for someone who
uses the core rules, which many players are likely to do.

However, I only have the German version, perhaps the English versions
of the mishaps are somewhat less explicit.

 

[Techno-Guru]

In the core rules for the merchant career, result 6 mentions that the cha-
racter was driven into bancrupcy, and four of the other results (ruined by
a competitor, trade routes and contacts destroyed, ship or space port de-
stroyed, forced to close down the business) could easily be interpreted as
bankrupcy, too.

So rules for bankruptcy seem to make sense at least for someone who
uses the core rules, which many players are likely to do.

However, I only have the German version, perhaps the English versions
of the mishaps are somewhat less explicit.

Results 2 and 6 do explicitly state bankruptcy of one degree or another ( 2 is total, the player has nothing unless he changes careers, 6 implies that the player does have assets left that he could liquidate for the start of the session.)
The other three could be read as bankruptcy or that the player just cuts and runs. In that case, it's up to the referee.

 

[dreamingbadger]

I AM TALKING ABOUT MERCHANT PRINCE... NOT... THE CORE RULES...
Even I were, the Core Rules does not say how much debt you get into, so 50% of an unknown number is still meaningless. If you look at the Table in MERCHANT PRINCE you will understand... otherwise you wont!

 

[AndrewW]

I AM TALKING ABOUT MERCHANT PRINCE... NOT... THE CORE RULES

Merchant Prince is still used with the core rules.

 

[dreamingbadger]

I AM TALKING ABOUT MERCHANT PRINCE... NOT... THE CORE RULES

Merchant Prince is still used with the core rules.

yes and in the core rules point to me where it defines an amount that you will be bankrupt by, where resolving 50% of your debt will be a meaningful statement

 

[rust]

yes and in the core rules point to me where it defines an amount that you will be bankrupt by ...

This is one of the points that make it fun to be a referee - if it is not
defined by the rules, the referee has the pleasure to make it up. :lol:

I would probably take a look at the value of the character's ship shares
and cash benefits and just turn the "+" into a "-" to determine his debt.

 

[dreamingbadger]

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