How does it compare to RQ-2 / RQ-3

[Richard]

I'm really glad the rules weren't intimately tied with Glorantha! I actually think Mongoose have done a much better job of writing up 2nd Age Glorantha than they did with the rules. Not perfect for sure but for Glorantha lovers was that ever going to be possible on budget? I doubt it. I suggest you use your own take on the rules to run Glorantha and don't rely on MRQ rule stuff if it's not up to scratch. Your smart cookies and a lot of you guys seem to know more than Mongoose re:history, trolls with pig snouts etc. I know it's a hassle but it's part of the fun of gaming, or at least GMing and you'll save yourself a bob or two for beer vouchers! Or stick to RQ2/3. :wink: I used to happily adapt 3rd Age stuff (And other non-Glorantha stuff) to use in my RQ3 campaign and hope I can do the same with upcoming MRQ releases. 2nd Age was good enough for me to search out, and be pretty impressed by, Ralios.

 

[GbajiTheDeceiver]

I'm really glad the rules weren't intimately tied with Glorantha! I actually think Mongoose have done a much better job of writing up 2nd Age Glorantha than they did with the rules. Not perfect for sure but for Glorantha lovers was that ever going to be possible on budget? I doubt it. I suggest you use your own take on the rules to run Glorantha and don't rely on MRQ rule stuff if it's not up to scratch. Your smart cookies and a lot of you guys seem to know more than Mongoose re:history, trolls with pig snouts etc. I know it's a hassle but it's part of the fun of gaming, or at least GMing and you'll save yourself a bob or two for beer vouchers! Or stick to RQ2/3. :wink: I used to happily adapt 3rd Age stuff (And other non-Glorantha stuff) to use in my RQ3 campaign and hope I can do the same with upcoming MRQ releases. 2nd Age was good enough for me to search out, and be pretty impressed by, Ralios.

Ah, the Voice Of Reason.

 

[Adept]

Second the "Impressed by Ralios" bit.

The problems with the new material aren't so much problems for us old farts. I'm trying to look at the material from the perspective of somebody new to Glorantha, and I'm not compleatly happy.

The illustrations are occasionally very good, but also occasionally very bad. The biggest problem is that the artists don't seem to have enough information to work with. You can't claim there isn't information out there.

Heck, come on Mongoose, when you ask somebody to draw a dragonewt, show them the RQ-3 era dragonewt pictures, tell them which side of a Klanth is sharp and also that Dragonewts never use shields. Things like that.

Those illustrations are a major part of your product, and they will be important to the GM:s new to Glorantha you are trying to attract with the othervice quite nice books.

 

[RosenMcStern]

Heck, come on Mongoose, when you ask somebody to draw a dragonewt, show them the RQ-3 era dragonewt pictures, tell them which side of a Klanth is sharp and also that Dragonewts never use shields. Things like that.

Hmm, I always thought a klanth was a two-edged sword-club. So which one is sharp in your opinion?

Dragonewts clearly have shields in Dragon Pass counters, so maybe the artist did look for information, but found the one source you were not expecting.

 

[Durand Durand]

[edit] Stoopid me posted wrong replies in wrong threads.

Heck, come on Mongoose, when you ask somebody to draw a dragonewt, show them the RQ-3 era dragonewt pictures, tell them which side of a Klanth is sharp and also that Dragonewts never use shields. Things like that.

Hmm, I always thought a klanth was a two-edged sword-club. So which one is sharp in your opinion?

Dragonewts clearly have shields in Dragon Pass counters, so maybe the artist did look for information, but found the one source you were not expecting.

Crested Dragonnewts would use slings and shields. I believe they didn't get to use Dragonewt weapons, which were strictly caste based in use, for Beaked Dragonewts up.

A Klanth is a bit like the two-edged clubs of the polynesians, but are more like the two-edged clubs used by South American Jaguar warrior types, a edged club with obsidian blades glued onto the striking edges to cut flesh like butter [Obsidian keeps a damned good edge]. Something like this... (excuse the crappy ascii pic, it won't work out)

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Come to think of it, I fact I have never personally seen evidence polynesian peoples used Obsidian enhanced clubs does not mean the never did so, so a Klanth may be like a polynesian warclub. Can an Anthropolgist help us out here.... Nysalor? Are you there? Arkat? Gbaji?!!

DD

 

[Arkat]

The more I read through the new rules and look at the sometimes really 'wrong' art the more I get the impression that no one at Mongoose really played RQ 2-3.

I dunno maybe my expectations were too high but I'm rather dissapointed in this edition and my RQ campaign has suffered for it (gone). I have 4 books of this new set and it still doesn't have all the rules that the old RQ 2 book covered. Come on now, where's the Treasure Factors for instance?

Bah!

 

[Voriof]

A Klanth is a bit like the two-edged clubs of the polynesians, but are more like the two-edged clubs used by South American Jaguar warrior types, a edged club with obsidian blades glued onto the striking edges to cut flesh like butter [Obsidian keeps a damned good edge]. Something like this... (excuse the crappy ascii pic, it won't work out)

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DD

The klanth are more akin to the Aztec obsidian weaponry. Greg's quite familar with those... I belive he commented on dragonnewt weaponry to this effect back in the Dragonewt special Different Worlds issue way, way back when.

Incidentally, the klanth is also used as a ritual weapon by the Orlanthi, possibly through draconic influence (either as worship or as a taken weapon) or possibly be a cultural relic from the time before they had metalworking.

Voriof

 

[Durand Durand]

Since Google draws better than I can.

A Klanth is like this macuahuitl...

Not like these Hawaiian warclub/paddles or swords with shark tooth edges. I would have thought Hawaiians would have had Obsidian, but maybe not.

DD

 

[Stewart Stansfield]

Not like these Hawaiian warclub/paddles or swords with shark tooth edges. I would have thought Hawaiians would have had Obsidian, but maybe not.

Whilst obsidian is often used to describe a dark volcanic glass, DD, particularly speaking us volcanologists (lapsed or otherwise) use the term to refer to glassy material of more silicic composition (and often different form and emplacement) than is found on Hawai'i - though there is indeed a little obsidian there.

So you have such cool volcanic produce as Pele's Hair, and indeed the usage of other glass forms for tools, but not obsidian-use per se or as of the style one might find in Mesoamerica.

Cheerio,

Stu.

 

[soltakss]

Since Google draws better than I can.

A Klanth is like this macuahuitl...

Not like these Hawaiian warclub/paddles or swords with shark tooth edges. I would have thought Hawaiians would have had Obsidian, but maybe not.

DD

Wow! I could go for both of those. The first one looks like a classic klanth, the second could easily be a different style of klanth, it could use dragonteeth rather than sharkteeth.

 

[RosenMcStern]

Wow! I could go for both of those. The first one looks like a classic klanth, the second could easily be a different style of klanth, it could use dragonteeth rather than sharkteeth.

Very cool idea. RQ3 clearly states that high-ranking dragonewts receive dragonbone defensive weapons (more APs), so why not dragonteeth for offensive weapons?

As for dragonewt shields: in addition to DP counters, I just realized that the picture of Planner-of-Mayhem in the Introduction to Glorantha Book (the one that came with the HeroWars boxed set) clearly shows a shield. It is in the wrong hand, but it is definitely a shield.

Hmm, is it possible that it is a human leather shield? Gruesome but intriguing.

 

[Trifletraxor]

Nice pictures!

SGL.

 

[Kagan Altar]

The pictures are awesome! I love the last one, with the shark teeth!

 

[Adept]

Heck, come on Mongoose, when you ask somebody to draw a dragonewt, show them the RQ-3 era dragonewt pictures, tell them which side of a Klanth is sharp and also that Dragonewts never use shields. Things like that.

Hmm, I always thought a klanth was a two-edged sword-club. So which one is sharp in your opinion?

The edge(s) as opposed to the large flat bits. Uh... you know what I mean. It's a macuahuit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macuahuitl

 

[Adept]

Wow! I could go for both of those. The first one looks like a classic klanth, the second could easily be a different style of klanth, it could use dragonteeth rather than sharkteeth.

Very cool idea. RQ3 clearly states that high-ranking dragonewts receive dragonbone defensive weapons (more APs), so why not dragonteeth for offensive weapons?

As for dragonewt shields: in addition to DP counters, I just realized that the picture of Planner-of-Mayhem in the Introduction to Glorantha Book (the one that came with the HeroWars boxed set) clearly shows a shield. It is in the wrong hand, but it is definitely a shield.

Hmm, is it possible that it is a human leather shield? Gruesome but intriguing.

No

It's just another example of the artist not getting enough information (or deciding to be silly possibly, but propably the former).

In that pic the newt is also right handed.