G'Koth Trasnport Cruiser

[Da Boss]

Hello - am I EPs mate ?? :?:

Not actually met him as yet?? I was just dodging work and posting hopefully amusing notes.......... We did have some disagreements on the bit on 2nd Ed re Centauri.

not joined at the hip with anyone at present - kind o of think the other person in the office may comment!? :shock:

have fun

 

[H]

I didn't "gang" up on you, the only people i see from this Forum have stopped posting, I'm a one man gang
Nomad, Karlpopli, Neroon, WingCommander, none of them post anymore, and several of them seem to have sold their ACTA stuff, or just stopped playing.
and yes you told him, but then his earliest posts were to call burger (which yes you rebuked) I re-affrim my belief that we need ACTA fight club!
I'll take on reaver, he's bigger than me, but I reckon I have the speed edge ;-)

 

[emperorpenguin]

all races are trying to be balanced against each other in the best way possible. most of us play multiple races anyway so saying EP is biased towards the centauri is wrong ( think i am promoting more for centauri than he is).
BTW the smiley used was one of confusion, not a i'm joking smiley.

thank you!

As I said it syuits people on here to use the "you've got Matt's ear" argument when it suits them. But when I attempt to correct a potentially confused poster I'm shouted down by what was it three other posters?

Maybe the forums need more leonpauls coming on pointing out that I am not the only one thinking these guys are out of line

 

[Reaverman]

and welcome back to Burger & reaverman tag-team wrestling....

And welcome back, Emperorpenguin. Squealing like a stuck pig, when 80% of the this thread does not agree with him! :lol:

Thanks for the entertainment, its interesting reading between drying out my roids

You have a great knack for avoiding anything you disagree with and twisting everything else, which was why you got a warning off Matt from what the VAS playtesters said.....

No, two people disagreed with me. Then whined to matt, and he asked me to stop. As for the issue, there were others who were far more heated in the comments on the VAS topic. As usual EP, you get your facts wrong!

Thanks for telling me it was the playtesters, I have a damn good idea who it is now

 

[katadder]

be nice people, its a topic about a narn transport, not a slagging match, you could all take it to PMs.

 

[emperorpenguin]

PM'd....you aint PM'd me, or are you talking about the other guy you blasted off the forum (since I aint seen a reply to your last comment)

well you got that completly wrong. We were talking about Leonpaul attacking Burger earlier

You should make sure you know what you are replying to

 

[H]

no, PM's can be sly and sneaky, i have seen PM's from a "respected member" of the forum saying some pretty unsavoury stuff, about me, about the person he PM'd and said persons business etc, if that had been public he would have been banned (or should have been) PM's have their good points, but you can hide a lot with them

 

[emperorpenguin]

This has all stemmed from me being unable to correct someone for posting something incorrect....

Had Burger and reaverman not parachuted in this wouldn't have happened.....

I am sick of the same people attacking not just me but many of the playtesters of both ACTA and VAS

 

[Burger]

I have only posted in self-defence. I've not attacked anyone, playtester or otherwise, on this forum or VAS. If you can link a post otherwise, please do so and I shall send an apology by PM to the offended party.

Anyway, what I want to know is, why wasn't this thread locked back on page 4?!?! MODS!

 

[H]

my god, this could go on forever.
the problem you have is, Playtesters (no names) can be just as rude, abrasive, argumantative as anyone, they can slag people off with inpunity on the playtester forum, or mails or whatever, they have said things that would have got anyone else banned fom the forum, their are a lot of passionate people involved in this game, players, testers and designers, everyone gets arsey about one thing or another, and it just snowballs as people leap to defence, counter arguments, misunderstood coments and everything. The playtesters ARE whether you like it or not, seen as a voice of mongoose, and as such, peoples frustrations will go against them when a ship has been broken since 1st ed, a model is crap, a ship is too powerful, something happens in favour of a playtester race, another ea ship gets released and so on. You are a visible prescence from the mongoose family, you don't get paid, but it IS known you playtest, so know what is planned, and can influence it more than anyone else, THAT is why the playtesters can get slagged off a lot more than they may feel fair.

 

[emperorpenguin]

the problem you have is, Playtesters (no names) can be just as rude, abrasive, argumantative as anyone, they can slag people off with inpunity on the playtester forum, or mails or whatever, they have said things that would have got anyone else banned fom the forum,

Well if they do it isn't public. That is the difference.

The playtesters ARE whether you like it or not, seen as a voice of mongoose, and as such, peoples frustrations will go against them when a ship has been broken since 1st ed, a model is crap, a ship is too powerful, something happens in favour of a playtester race, another ea ship gets released and so on. You are a visible prescence from the mongoose family, you don't get paid, but it IS known you playtest, so know what is planned, and can influence it more than anyone else, THAT is why the playtesters can get slagged off a lot more than they may feel fair

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Hence my correcting the comment about Centauri players being biased against the G'Koth. But then my right to correct was challenged....

 

[Reaverman]

PM'd....you aint PM'd me, or are you talking about the other guy you blasted off the forum (since I aint seen a reply to your last comment)

well you got that completly wrong. We were talking about Leonpaul attacking Burger earlier

You should make sure you know what you are replying to

Hang on, there was no reference in that comment to who you were talking about. You said you had PM'd, and told 'him publicly'. You made no reference to who you PM'd, or whose post you were refering to?

Please also note Hiff comment;

Nomad, Karlpopli, Neroon, WingCommander, none of them post anymore, and several of them seem to have sold their ACTA stuff, or just stopped playing and yes you told him, but then his earliest posts were to call burger (which yes you rebuked)

and my earlier post;

EP, and other characters on here are driving players off the forum in their droves. From the attitude in your posts, its putting people off (I know quiet a few players off here, and some LGS's have told me too). You are driving a damn good game into the ground because you want the game 'YOUR WAY' and damn the opinion of fellow gamers. I'm also a member of other independent gaming forums, and there has been mention from other players about general overall attitude off here, and the 'Elitist' attitude.

If people have issues with me, its a minority. But you seem to be a common factor in a lot of arguments, you just cannot keep your mouth shut and you have to have the last word. Like I said earlier, its down to your attitude, why people are getting fed up with positing.

 

[H]

the problem you have is, Playtesters (no names) can be just as rude, abrasive, argumantative as anyone, they can slag people off with inpunity on the playtester forum, or mails or whatever, they have said things that would have got anyone else banned fom the forum,

Well if they do it isn't public. That is the difference.

The playtesters ARE whether you like it or not, seen as a voice of mongoose, and as such, peoples frustrations will go against them when a ship has been broken since 1st ed, a model is crap, a ship is too powerful, something happens in favour of a playtester race, another ea ship gets released and so on. You are a visible prescence from the mongoose family, you don't get paid, but it IS known you playtest, so know what is planned, and can influence it more than anyone else, THAT is why the playtesters can get slagged off a lot more than they may feel fair

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Hence my correcting the comment about Centauri players being biased against the G'Koth. But then my right to correct was challenged....

If they don't do it in public it is different? It is certainly more cowardly to be sure, and if said posts or forums include other playtesters, and game designers, it unfairly prejudices others agains the person one might be slagging off, which is unfair. One persons prejudice should not be able to so wilfully influence others.

and reaver, I didn't specify why those said people stopped posting!. . . ok, you are right that the forum put them off, but not specifically EP.

 

[katadder]

*sends in quick email to playtester group asking for all centauri ships to be upgunned by 200%*

although that would never work
some of have only been playtesting since last mongoose ACTA tourney, so about 6 months and cannot be held responsible for the saggi :lol:

like i said however we are all trying out best to balance every fleet. whats the point in overpowering your own fleet to win all the time? that would make the game boring. its not only about winning its about having fun.
also hopefully with more of the tourney players taken up to playtest there will be less mistakes like the saggi.

 

[Locutus9956]

Blimey charley.... talk about crazy I turn my back on this thread for 20 minutes and world war 3 breaks out!

Seriously though you all need to take a bit of a chill pill I think

(oh and Hiff from what I know Emines have indeed recieved a MAJOR ramp up....)

 

[emperorpenguin]

If they don't do it in public it is different? It is certainly more cowardly to be sure, and if said posts or forums include other playtesters, and game designers, it unfairly prejudices others agains the person one might be slagging off, which is unfair. One persons prejudice should not be able to so wilfully influence others..

It is different in the sense you can't stop people talking in private. On the public forums there shouldn't be such personal attacks.

 

[Burger]

Can we get back to discussing the G'Koth as a Raid level ship and its inclusion in 1e? Remind me, what were the reasons against it? Other than "its not needed" or "other ships don't have Raid variants" which aren't really a arguements for or against it, they are just opinions that have no bearing on its suitability or on overall game balance.

 

[Locutus9956]

Hmm well Im trying not to take sides here but EP thats just silly, slagging someone off behind their backs is just as bad as doing it in public its just cowardly frankly. If I have a problem with someone I will tell them to their face. Seriously though this thread is just degenerating into a slagging match and I personally think its high time the mods locked it. Either that or we could actually get back to discussing the G'Koth....

As an attempt to bring this back on track I dont see any problem with it still. Sure it may not be needed but who cares? As long as its not overpowered I dont care HOW many choices the Narns have, whats the harm in one more (and another use for a lovely miniautre!)

 

[H]

If they don't do it in public it is different? It is certainly more cowardly to be sure, and if said posts or forums include other playtesters, and game designers, it unfairly prejudices others agains the person one might be slagging off, which is unfair. One persons prejudice should not be able to so wilfully influence others..

It is different in the sense you can't stop people talking in private. On the public forums there shouldn't be such personal attacks.

oh for sure, but from a professionalism standpoint, It should really not happen (you haven't said it doesn't happen which is a bit dissapointing/worrying) also, send me some ship Ideas, i'm going to do a "basic" framework to propose to Matt

 

[Hash]

You know if I were a mod I'd have locked this thread way before this :shock: and given some stiff warnings to some folks *prods the Reaverman and Burger tagteam vs. the EP and LeonPaul tagteam *

I realise Mongoose takes a very lax view on forum conduct but this is definitely putting off newbie from joining and making it tiresome for regular posters...this thread is about the G'KOTH and should be on topic (or at least interesting game related topics) only - lets leave the name calling for the playground, everyone.

How about we put some theories to the test? Anyone want a paly a few battle with Narn at skirmish and raid using a G'Koth to see how it plays out and what they think? Would do so ourselves (Sentient Rabbits Crew) but we're preparing for an ACTA tourney this weekend...