Finally saw the figs
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Larac
Mongoose
ockase said:
Get them on a table with terrain and (at leats mine ) look great, only the top painters can look at a model from 6 " and see no mistakes, but at 3 feet on a table they look really good.
My advice, take the 2-4 worst boxes, put them on a city board and Demo it, the rules are good, and the game is fun.
Other than that, send me a PM with where you are, I amy have folks looking for it.
Lee
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
Iain McGhee said:
:shock: What are you smoking dude?
Maybe a one off payment but unless you're doing something very wrong they'll last you ages.
[/quote}I don't think name calling people running their own bussiness is going to help anyone
Sorry about that, was just a bit fired up. i get that way sometimes
[/quote]Get them on a table with terrain and (at leats mine ) look great, only the top painters can look at a model from 6 " and see no mistakes, but at 3 feet on a table they look really good.
Yep, thats what happened. Once they are on a table, mixed in with the terrain, people were happy with them for the most part. That makes me happy ! i judt don';t want people to get stuck buying stuff they don't like.
Sorry about that, was just a bit fired up. i get that way sometimes
[/quote]Get them on a table with terrain and (at leats mine ) look great, only the top painters can look at a model from 6 " and see no mistakes, but at 3 feet on a table they look really good.
Yep, thats what happened. Once they are on a table, mixed in with the terrain, people were happy with them for the most part. That makes me happy ! i judt don';t want people to get stuck buying stuff they don't like.
Well a few points:
Firstly, its all well and good saying support your local store but simply put some people simply cannot afford RRP and if an online shop is going to offer 25% off or some such then then people WILL take advantage of it.
Well, thats nice and all. I completely understand online shopping if you can't get it in your local store. The post that started this conversation off was about how he thought they should be lower priced, then someone saying "buy em online" , even though the guy said his local store had them in stock.
I know everyone wants to save a buck. Hell, I used to shop online until I got a better understanding about what its doing to the hobby (and that was before I opened a store myself). The guys who shop online when they have a local store are the same ones that come in and want to know when you are having a tournament, and if they can get promos through you, even though they dont supoort you at all. Frustrating to say the least. Also seems like alot of "those guys" get mad when you don't have the freebies and events they want.
At my store we price everything at 10% of retail right off the bat to try and curb some of the sales loss to online stores. So far it seems to have helped quite a bit. The discount stores get on games is not very high though. Most game systems are average about 47% discount, and outside of promo or sales events, 50% being as high as I ever see . some are as low as 35%. So the guy who sells BFE at 30% off makes maybe 17-18%, then take off credit card fees, maybe 15-17%. So if he sells 100$ in product to you, he makes 15-17 $. I could discount stuff in my store that cheap. Then I would only have to sell about 11,000$ a month in product just to make my Lease payment of $1700. Not to mention power, phone, ect....... oh and at some point bring in new product lines and maybe someday actually put a dollar in my pocket
Another thing that is kinda funny, alot of times, the "discount" you get dissapears real quick in shipping charges. I get alot of people that order online (especially pre-orders), and then pay shipping, and then get the product days after it is already on the shelf because they just had to save a buck. When the last warhammer boxed army came out someone was preselling, buy the time you payed for shipping, they were 2.00 more than our cost in store. but hey, they were 5.00 cheaper without the shipping, so i guess it was worth while. oh yeah, plus they oversold, and people didnt get the boxes till weeks after everyone else had em
So if you DO have a local store that can/will get the product, but still insist on buying online to save a couple bucks, then do them a favor and save the play space in the store for paying customers.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
erm was there supposed be anything after the quote mate? 
your PHPBB-fu needs practice
Anyway, Ive now got my first boxes of the minis and any lingering doubts I may have had have gone right out the window, they are freakin great, and I know for a fact if they were unpainted I simply wouldnt do a better job myself, I just dont have the patience (especially not for a whole army
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your PHPBB-fu needs practice Anyway, Ive now got my first boxes of the minis and any lingering doubts I may have had have gone right out the window, they are freakin great, and I know for a fact if they were unpainted I simply wouldnt do a better job myself, I just dont have the patience (especially not for a whole army
)Locutus9956
Mongoose
ps. Holy crap! The unit cards are freakin huge! Very nice and full colour too
Also, my Abrahams wasnt missing any bits, and all the minis are in good shape except for one Marine who came off his base (but 10 seconds with good old mr. superglue should fix that) And you even get a nice big printed copy of the basic rules (this is very handy for those of us with limited printer access )
Also, my Abrahams wasnt missing any bits, and all the minis are in good shape except for one Marine who came off his base (but 10 seconds with good old mr. superglue should fix that
) And you even get a nice big printed copy of the basic rules (this is very handy for those of us with limited printer access )Locutus9956
Mongoose
Ooooooh, now that I would LOVE to see Turtle, Ive got a fairly large 40k army as do most of my local group but most of us never play due to the 40k rules being, well, a pile of arse
I've got a topic in the SST forum called: "Anyone doing conversions from other games?"
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25588
Inside are some very basic stats for space marines. No point cost yet.
I don't have any codexes since I don't play 40k, nor do I know the 40k rules. So I just base these off what I know in general about each army. Next time I sit down to play in a game store, I'll slip through some codexes to come up with more stats.
It's just there's quite a few players in the area so I figured I could get them interested with a well made conversion. Doing this is actually pretty fun for me since it's an interesting challenge to make all these diverse units in a simple system like the evolution rules. Trying to capture the feel of the unit as simply as possible
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25588
Inside are some very basic stats for space marines. No point cost yet.
I don't have any codexes since I don't play 40k, nor do I know the 40k rules. So I just base these off what I know in general about each army. Next time I sit down to play in a game store, I'll slip through some codexes to come up with more stats.
It's just there's quite a few players in the area so I figured I could get them interested with a well made conversion. Doing this is actually pretty fun for me since it's an interesting challenge to make all these diverse units in a simple system like the evolution rules. Trying to capture the feel of the unit as simply as possible
I saw these "in the flesh" for the first time on Saturday, having been intrigued by the initial concept and interested in what is a slightly "novel" period to game. Sadly I am unimpressed with the value for money though.
I agree with the general impression that the figures don't look as bad on the tabletop as they did in those horrible photographs, but still, they are vay overpriced for what you get. They may be better than the average gamer's efforts, but at a premium of around £15 a box or more they darn well should be, and they aren't as good as that price should warrent! £20 for a handful of figures with poor moulding and bent weapons daubed in random splodges of khaki paint? No sirree!
If I ever *was* to play the game, I'm afraid I'd be using 1:72 models and painting myself (even to a lower standard). If I couldn't be bothered to paint the vehicles from airfix kits, I'd be using Forces of Valour 1:72 models - which are much better sculpts (rear drive sprockets are correctly *outside* the tracks, for instance on the Challenger) and paint jobs. And better still are HALF the retail price: http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/...Valour&C=Military&T=&SC=Forces+Of+Valour+1:72
The game play might be good, but frankly there are a lot of good games out there for me to take up, so this'll have to wait its turn.
Sorry to report this, but I think it is worth explaining to you why I won't be buying the product.
I agree with the general impression that the figures don't look as bad on the tabletop as they did in those horrible photographs, but still, they are vay overpriced for what you get. They may be better than the average gamer's efforts, but at a premium of around £15 a box or more they darn well should be, and they aren't as good as that price should warrent! £20 for a handful of figures with poor moulding and bent weapons daubed in random splodges of khaki paint? No sirree!
If I ever *was* to play the game, I'm afraid I'd be using 1:72 models and painting myself (even to a lower standard). If I couldn't be bothered to paint the vehicles from airfix kits, I'd be using Forces of Valour 1:72 models - which are much better sculpts (rear drive sprockets are correctly *outside* the tracks, for instance on the Challenger) and paint jobs. And better still are HALF the retail price: http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/...Valour&C=Military&T=&SC=Forces+Of+Valour+1:72
The game play might be good, but frankly there are a lot of good games out there for me to take up, so this'll have to wait its turn.
Sorry to report this, but I think it is worth explaining to you why I won't be buying the product.
Capt. Griffin
Mongoose
As the world shrinks all of us business owners have to realize that our competition is not just the other brick and mortars but the online sellers, auctions sites and the Honk Kong $1 shops with $30 shipping. It's the same as has been going on since the first barter transaction. The consumer votes with his dollar.
If this kills play space or gaming groups that is truly what the consumer wants. If it kills minis all together and the 7 million gamers that aren't already playing World of Warcraft switch over to it then that is what the consumer wants. We did $2.15 in games sales the day that the WoW expansion released as opposed to $1400 in R/C car sales. The consumer is already voting against shops. I'm still going to be the best game store around for as long as I can though!
The initial sell through is those of us that are into the period, have been waiting for the models or are just big Mongoose fans. They'll buy almost regardless of price. If the game continues to sell then it's priced right if it doesn't and the only sales are online then it wasn't priced right.
I have business costs that I have to be on top of every day and I'm sure that Mongoose does too. If it doesn't make money it goes away. Look at how mercenary WotC is with their lines, WizKids too. The only places that keep things eternally are those 'hobby' businesses that are in it for love and don't care what they loose.
The models are really cool to me but I'll still kill them from the shelves inside of a year if they don't move and probably below my cost like most of my SST inventory.
I do still give Mongoose credit for being one of the top 5 game companies out there in terms of effort! :wink:
If this kills play space or gaming groups that is truly what the consumer wants. If it kills minis all together and the 7 million gamers that aren't already playing World of Warcraft switch over to it then that is what the consumer wants. We did $2.15 in games sales the day that the WoW expansion released as opposed to $1400 in R/C car sales. The consumer is already voting against shops. I'm still going to be the best game store around for as long as I can though!
The initial sell through is those of us that are into the period, have been waiting for the models or are just big Mongoose fans. They'll buy almost regardless of price. If the game continues to sell then it's priced right if it doesn't and the only sales are online then it wasn't priced right.
I have business costs that I have to be on top of every day and I'm sure that Mongoose does too. If it doesn't make money it goes away. Look at how mercenary WotC is with their lines, WizKids too. The only places that keep things eternally are those 'hobby' businesses that are in it for love and don't care what they loose.
The models are really cool to me but I'll still kill them from the shelves inside of a year if they don't move and probably below my cost like most of my SST inventory.
I do still give Mongoose credit for being one of the top 5 game companies out there in terms of effort! :wink:
Capt. Griffin
Mongoose
Just some misc. bugs I think. It's been a bit since I actually looked.
Talliostro
Mongoose
Well, I saw the figs tihs weekend in my LGS and I'm not overly impressed, more disappointed and so is my gaming group (Fow, Warmachine, GW).
They are expensive (nearly 30€ a Box), small and not that good painted. Maybe they look good on the tabletop with terrain, but our LGS has no right-scaled Terrain, so I couldn't convince anyone from my friends to start playing and I didn't buy anything too.
Okay Wave 2 maybe better than Wave 1, but my Gaming Group just disagreed on playing BF:Evo because of pricing and paintjob on the figs...
They are expensive (nearly 30€ a Box), small and not that good painted. Maybe they look good on the tabletop with terrain, but our LGS has no right-scaled Terrain, so I couldn't convince anyone from my friends to start playing and I didn't buy anything too.
Okay Wave 2 maybe better than Wave 1, but my Gaming Group just disagreed on playing BF:Evo because of pricing and paintjob on the figs...
The Legend
Mongoose
Just recieved my new BF Evo figs this morning. Two PLA Infantry squads and two Type-99's, two USMC Infantry squads and 1 M1A1 Abrams for my fellow wargamer.
Hmm....
Absolutely excellent. Paintjobs are much better than other prepaints and the figs are, I think, a very decent size. Well Impressed will be getting much more. Can't wait to try them out tomorrow!
Hmm....
Absolutely excellent. Paintjobs are much better than other prepaints and the figs are, I think, a very decent size. Well Impressed will be getting much more. Can't wait to try them out tomorrow!
